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Now that the old Hexbear fork has been officially abandoned, this community will be used as a space for meta-discussion on the site itself.

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[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thank you to the voters that said the dbzer0 posters are cool, though someone said something like "I never noticibly noticed any user from that comm" and I feel personally affronted

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I noticed you and thought it was weird someone from hexbear made an account on a different instance

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah only really have noticed the admin, who continues to show they are an ass

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[–] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I came over here when /r/piracy moved and at first I was confused by hexbear. Over time I've come to embrace the ideas and movement and I appreciate the discussions on here. Sorry if I've frustrated any of you over the past year, I've really had a shift in perspective coming from a ballot box liberal background.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

I’ve been totally uninvolved, but it appears the mods, rather than the users, have been the most inflammatory. We welcome all good-faith users, such as yourself heart-sickle

[–] davel@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

coming from a ballot box liberal background.

That’s where the vast majority of us came from. Really where else could most of us have come from? East Germany? The Moon?

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's how I found the chapo sub back in the day

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I think I said something vaguely socialist and someone said "go back to chapo" and I was like "what the fuck is a chapo"

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nineteeneightyfour wow I guess you found enough wrongthink to ban them, huh?

[–] Antisocial_Socialist@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We draw the line at DM harassment of any kind. Calling a moderator a "hypocritical PoS" in DMs for banning them for outright reactionary behavior necessitates a site wide ban.

It would be hypocritical to do otherwise.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

So much for the tolerant left smuglord

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

I'm just yanking your chain, fuck them.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They still don't understand how that's an issue

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

that fucking rules. thank you for making my day.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It looks like we won't be

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divided by a zero.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That would make you infinite tho.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No. You can't divide by zero and get infinity. x / 0 = NaN, it can't be defined, dividing by zero is impossible.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

Probs skim a wiki page before trying to correct someone :) conventions are just conventions. All maths is arbitrary (e.g. n^0 being defined as 1 is so nice patterns around power addition and such hold at 0 but "n times n zero times" is sort of a nonsense question if the operation is taken at it's most naive and direct interpretation)

Also not a number isn't a mathematical construct, it's a value computer software returns to handle edge cases in a predictable fashion.

[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I now vote for defederation due to this pedantic response. Division by zero is undefined under the rational number set which is what pretty much anyone on earth will think of. It does not reach the same value as you take the limit from either side. It's not a convention it is an axiom. Math is not arbitrary, it must all be proven n^0=1 is not a convention, it is proven in many different ways.

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[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

division is not defined for 0. it can yield multiple values, any value at all, explode to infinity, etc.. but even that statement depends on taking a limit because you can't actually divide by zero. you break basic algebraic laws if you try to include it. it's such a essential fact of algebra that you only name an element of a ring 0 if it's the additive identity and always multiplies to zero. when you extend such a set to a field, you define a division operation as multiplication by the multiplicative inverse except for the additive identity because such an operation is never well-defined.

your Wikipedia link is discussing limits. limits are only well-defined when you can prove that every step of the limiting process is well-defined and the overall sequence converges absolutely. if I just write 5/0, there's no sequence - you can't say the limit diverges to infinity or resolves to a specific number because there is no limiting sequence to begin with. you need a function like sin(x)/x to produce a limit such that you know for certain that 0/0 in this very particular case is 0 (ie the discontinuity at 0 is removable).

if you're interested in this, you're looking for ring theory. a lot of textbooks will give you the basis to prove that division by zero produces inconsistent results for any field - this is why it's one of the field axioms.

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[–] booty@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also not a number isn't a mathematical construct

I know that, I was using it in the literal sense. x / 0 = not a number. It isn't a number. It is not something defined mathematically. I could just as easily have said undefined, N/A, or anything else.

conventions are just conventions. All maths is arbitrary

you cannot take an object and divide it into 0 pieces. The expression is nonsensical to begin with.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Have you considered Wikipedia tho

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[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

a zero is gen X slang for someone totally untubular.

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[–] hexthismess@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

Good, the db0 mod and admin can stay banned while we still can interact with the users.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Glad to hear it. I may have made an ass of myself on here a few times, but a few patient hexbears showed me what I needed to get it. If you defederated, I'd have to make an account and convince the mods I know better now.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Almost everyone here was a cringe liberal at some point in the lives. Most of us (myself included) only found the light around the time of Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn elections.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

michael-laugh masterful bit

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

wow so authoritarian that you'd respect a vote smdh redfash tankies

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Oh kewl awesome

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] Antisocial_Socialist@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I believe it was something like 117 to remain federated vs like ~40 to defederate. I would have to recount but it was overwhelmingly in favor of staying federated.

I also agree with the other users here that the funniest and probably most productive option is leaving their admins banned while staying federated and letting them make the next move is the best and funniest option.

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[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago
[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago
[–] Packet@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago
[–] jack@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

The right move

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago
[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Man i had no idea there was gonna be a vote like this today. I was just talking bout the 'bear over there too. Pardon me for being out of the loop but what happened? Mods from hexbear kicked up a fuss? From db0? Can someone point me to the drama?

[–] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not being critical of you here, but I've seen a few people now mention they didn't know any of this was going on. I sometimes miss big struggle sessions and wonder how in the hell that happened, me being the modlog-reading extremely online dork that I am, so I get it. But in this case, there has been a voting thread pinned for over 2 days on the topic. Do people just not look at the pinned posts?

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Gotta be honest I have no idea what's going on. I don't know why I voted in the other thread. I was just trying to fit in 😢

electoralism fails again smh

Death to America

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago
[–] potajito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We live to see another day!

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Honestly I have never seen as many dbzer0 accounts here as I have in the past week.

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