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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 182 points 2 years ago (32 children)

I would mind less if the American auto industry was producing affordable lightweight EVs...

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 83 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or cars with any level of quality.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 28 points 2 years ago

Best we can do is a four ton truck.

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[–] credo@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Then China shouldn’t subsidize its manufacturers’ exports while increasing the burden for foreign companies to compete internally. If anyone thinks China cornering the global EV market is a good long term plan, they are naive.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But I really wanted to die driving the suda sa01 ev which boasts features such as; zero crash ratings standards, and no air bags.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

Stop whining and enjoy dying from obesity related complications and Healthcare bankruptcy like the rest of us.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The US subsidizes american car companies too. Pot calling the kettle and all.

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't see how they're going to pass the safety regulations here and in the EU. A ton of their ICE vehicles never made it here because they're dangerously designed and built.

[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The Volvo EX30 is based on a Geely platform, made in China, and does well in the EU (won several Car of the Year awards).

MG (SAIC/Roewe) also has no trouble selling in the EU.

Chinese manufacturers can make regulatory-conforming cars when the market demands it of them. If the market wants cheap and doesn't demand safety, they can do that too.

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (18 children)

China is becoming an increasingly unreliable trade partner. Preventing them from completely taking over a segment is prudent.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, but there's already a steep tariff, it would be nice to let them light a small fire under the us automakers so they make better products for us, instead were kinda just letting them be evil and lazy.

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[–] MrPloppy@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"We want expensive American EVs that most people can't afford, not cheap Chinese ones....."

[–] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

China is subsidizing EV production and selling cars below cost. Allowing them to be sold in the US would kill the domestic EV market. How is that better for Americans?

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

wasn't that the whole point of capitalism anyways? /s

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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Americans get cheaper EVs and the legacy auto industry gets taught a valuable lesson as companies who refused to modernize go bankrupt.

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[–] ZetaLightning94@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (7 children)

With how china keeps implanting everything with spyware, I agree to keep them away from the heavy tech incorporated cars. Really wish we could transition away from using chinese shit

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

All auto manufacturers put spyware in their cars now. This isn't a china problem, this is an everyone problem. We need anti-spyware laws that apply to everyone.

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[–] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Make them in Mexico. Less reliance on one country is better for everyone.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They’re trying to block mexican made Chinese vehicles as well. They don’t want Americans buying cheap evs.

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, they don't want the profits getting funneled off to China.

[–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

Thats great for GM and Ford shareholders. It just means Americans can’t afford cars.

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[–] PlexSheep 23 points 2 years ago (8 children)
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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Anti China Republicans are going to HATE this! They would MUCH rather Elect the man whose Daughter got over 70 patents FASTTRACKED in China once he was elected!

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

They would just put their hands on their ears and repeat "Hunter Biden laptop" until a scary fact like that one goes away.

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Something something free market

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Might be a valid argument if China didn't play currency games.

Also, the protectionist in me wants American heavy industry to continue to exist.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Isn't it a national security risk?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Then he should solve the issue by requiring the code to be hosted on American servers with source code inspection.

Not by making EVs unaffordable.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Novel idea: make a car, not a cloud service. My phone is better at navigation etc anyways.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago (7 children)

If only he could extend that rationale to every industry

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Protectionism only works in the VERY short term. If the USA doesn't pull its finger out of its ass and make affordable good EVs, then its automotive industry will crash and burn. Because the rest of the world unaffected by tariffs will be buying Chinese (or Korean / European) EVs and not American ones because they'll be expensive and suck.

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