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Socialism is the only path out of the global ecological crisis.
French Oil execs have been caught on a hot mic talking about internal expectations of 3°C
Great, we are cooked. We handed reins of our worlds directly or indirectly to some of the greediest people imaginable and we will pay the price. It will naturally start from the poorest, but no one will be immune. Not even the said greedy people. We are truly and utterly cooked.
When the last tree is cut down, the last fish eaten, and the last stream poisoned, they will realize that you cannot eat money
Lisa Schipper, at University of Bonn in Germany, said: “My only source of hope is the fact that, as an educator, I can see the next generation being so smart and understanding the politics.”
This weapons grade copium is enough to give every global south nation their own nuclear weapons program.
They will be able to voooooooote for their leaders who all hail from the uh, generation who thinks none of this is real
I remember all the articles 15 years ago about how millenials are killing car ownership. Now all the cishet white millenials I went to college with turned out to be center-right at best and perfectly reproduced the boomer lifestyle.
It's all about material conditions. If cost of living continues to spike (and why wouldn't it?), younger people will generally get more radicalized.
Unfortunately they're going to radicalize towards fascism because there's a multi-billion dollar propaganda network pushing it.
Not to mention that all of these "good politics" are contingent on global North chauvinism. Ask the average German student with good politics what they think about demographic growth or industrialization in the Global South and the 
will go off the charts.
Finally, a little more honesty. Anyone who understands the dynamics knew 1.5C was a joke.
I was under the impression that 1.5C would be the best case scenario if we somehow stopped emitting carbon overnight. We really are fucked aren't we?
1.5C was optimistically possible if the entire planet had pivoted to International Climate Stalinism immediately after the report was published.
tfw no climate Stalin 
More like if we stopped emitting carbon 10-15 years ago. We're extremely fucked. But, on the other hand, this is going to put immense pressure on the world"s empires so maybe there's opportunity too.
I was under the impression that 1.5C would be the best case scenario if we somehow stopped emitting carbon overnight. We really are fucked aren't we?
That's been the way I've understood it; because as it stands the greenhouse being produced this year has not started to take effect yet.
Most scientists have said for years that we didn't have a hope of staying under 1.5 just that that's what we would have to do to not have massive negative repurcussions.
Anyone who still denies any of this shit at this point deserves to be beaten to death with a fucking stick.
Even my own father who's questioned climate change when I was a child has finally opened his eyes.
Microplatics, Air pollution, Car centrism, Oil executives and the political ghouls that prop them up
He has extremely scathing hatred for all of that
Taking a break from thinking about the ongoing genocide to think about how society will probably collapse within a few years
It is a lot. Each of these issues can easily consume your entire capacity for organizing a thousand times over.
Yeah, I've done some work in organising for climate related stuff in the past so I've been exposed to how bad it is before but reading experts confirming it never gets any easier
The Arab Spring displaced about a million people and it basically drove Europe to New Hitlerism wrt immigration, imagine what will happen as climate change displaces hundreds of millions of people in the coming decades
The mask will fully come off and their borders will just be killing fields.
IIRC this has been the US military's plan on how to deal with climate change for over a decade.
“My only source of hope is the fact that, as an educator, I can see the next generation being so smart and understanding the politics.”
They probably said the same thing in 2000. Didn't help much. Can't do environmentalism on a system of grow or die - unless you're okay with it being very half-assed and mostly symbolic.
If you read any current media article about zoomers it’s just a copy and paste from the exact same articles about millennials from 15 years ago
The world’s response to date is reprehensible – we live in an age of fools.
I didn't think you could sum up my political beliefs in one sentence.
We don't even have the age of monsters. We have fools who put on a monster consume but can't help but keep tripping on the slightly too big feet
They might be cartoonishly incompetent but that isn't preventing them from directly or indirectly killing millions.
Seeing shit like this and then having conversations about "what kind of work should we have done on the house" seems so trivial. Knowing that we're all going to keep trudging along to our stupid jobs and our poison treats while we boil like frogs in a pot
Okay let's start a betting pool: what year will America have genuine crop failures, food shortages, and famine? Hopefully during an election year. I'll say: 2030
Crop failures: 2022
It is tempting to not want to care about mundane day-to-day activities when reading news like this but we should not give in to the spectacular. It will be a long slow grind of things getting better in some ways, worse in others, punctuated by moments of horror. Maybe you will be directly affected, maybe you will not. I think there's a tendency on this site toward believing in some upcoming total collapse. Coming from a religious background, humans honestly seem hardwired to desire or cling to this belief on some level. You probably will not die in a climate disaster. Instead you will almost certainly die in 40-60 years of some mundane reason, marked only by those who know you, and the events that led to your death not blasted around the world as headline news. Humans are incredibly resilient. This is not to say your quality of life will be good. But it can be survivable.
Almost every single collapse short of a nuclear holocaust has been a slow grinding toward decentralization, scarcity, and then violent restructuring into a given centralized order. The world has perfectly hospitable temperatures a hundred years ago and famine plagued the globe. Not because of droughts or weather shocks but because distribution was and is dominated by a violent profit-seeking process.
Right now, and probably for at least another 30 years, we produce enough food to feed just about everyone in the world, some countries even look to develop shock-resistant supplies of food for their internal citizenry.
To some extent the upcoming collapse of climate is unprecedented, but it will continue to be unevenly distributed. And it very well could be, we can survive if we adopted communism, and managed distribution and enacted economic degrowth.
we either kill all of these monsters now or we watch the world end
Sorry, gotta go to my next meeting at my white-collar cubicle job.
I don’t want to be overly negative or pessimistic, but I really feel even if we had a global revolution right now and started doing our real best, we’re still very fucked. So it’s basically either we kill these monsters and watch the world die a little less hard, or we don’t and we watch it collapse at the speed of light.
no you're absolutely right, we are super fucked. but the degree matters. every little bit of fucked we can avert is worth the effort
3c? I am disgusted by their optimism.
Yeah this is cool I am totally not losing my mind over here
bye folks
AOC herself openly admitted we have until 2030 to course correct so I look forward to decades of her political career backtracking that statement for the sake of le optimism and moving forward (continuing to have a lucrative political career).
I'm not going to say exactly when but I had an existential crisis and a mental breakdown when I fully grasped the eco-socio-political reality of climate change and how we would respond, what that would achieve, and the fact that one way of addressing climate change would likely have a domino effect of negative consequences that would impact the environment negatively in other ways.
One simple example of this would be heatwaves causing people to use more air-conditioning and personal transport, driving up energy consumption and heat generated locally. A more complex example would be crop failures leading to more intensive agricultural efforts elsewhere and reliance upon the seas for food, leading to hastening the environmental collapse in those domains. A global example would be the pinball effect of destablisation of countries, the disruption to supply chains, the destabilisation of nearby countries, thus impeding global efforts for cooperation and climate change mitigation; there is no environmental policy in a state which has collapsed.
This happened a long time ago now, not like "before Greta Thunberg was speaking" but more like "before Greta Thunberg was speaking", and I've never truly recovered from it.
Sometimes I do sit there and be like man, we really spent a hundred years building a machine to destroy the world
I read Half Earth Socialism and while it was excellent, it was staggering in its frank account of how much society would have to change to take climate change seriously while also not killing 85% of all wildlife species on Earth by constraining land use. We're talking 100% mandatory veganism, 2000-watt society (honestly more like 1500 watts while US is currently at 12,000), 100% home electrification, literally zero airplane travel and very little car travel. The transformation our culture would have to go through would make the instability of China's cultural revolution look like nothing.
God please don’t let it be barbarism