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The Armenians called, they are asking how the Assyrians and the Pontic Greeks are doing.

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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well who better to say than the experts? Turkey got so good at genocide, they definitively know one when they see it.

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago

Apparently some historians got so tired of keeping track of all the individual Ottoman genocides, massacres and pogroms that they've lumped them all together into the Late Ottoman genocides. To be fair though, that umbrella also includes plenty of Muslim populations getting much the same treatment in the Christian countries created as the Ottoman Empire contracted.

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pfft, Turkiye are rank amateurs compared to Western Europe. They barely even genocided outside their borders.

Western Europeans have committed genocide across every continent and may have killed ~90% in two of them. The land and resources we stole from the victims of our genocides is the foundation stone of all western power to the present.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You....you realize that the ottomans did all that too right? You've seen how big the ottoman empire got at its peak right?

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They gave it a good shot but they didn't wipe out 90% of the population of both north and south america.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

TBF, the 90% of indigenous people in the Americas died due to disease. Some cases like those infamous smallpox blankets were on purpose, yes, but the vast majority was not. Can't blame the westerners for not knowing how immune systems work in the 1500s.

Not that they weren't genocidal maniacs with the 10% that remained of course.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago

Britain, Spain, and France: truly the greatest pirates in history. Absolute masters of the art of "rape, pillage, murder".

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

What's that pejorative slang Israelis call holocaust survivors? Soap.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

That's the thing, exceptions piss off everyone.

The countries who would never do something like this, and the ones who do this stuff but then get consequences.

There is nothing more problematic in any size society than letting one person/thing do anything they want while being shielded from consequences.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Turkiye used to be pretty friendly towards Israel, but Israel, in an increasingly bizarre and arrogant show of foreign policy, has managed to alienate Turkiye almost completely from their previous relations.

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I guess they would know about genocide at least...

[–] DdCno1@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not difficult to notice a pattern of failing national leaders using this as a distraction. Turkey is far from the only one.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, Bibi is also doing the same.

Between failing leaders distracting electorates by doing genocide and failing leaders distracting electorates by calling out genocide, the second ones are kinda better.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I mean, I'll take "Good thing for a shitty reason" over "Shitty thing for a shitty reason" any day, really.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

"Tragedy: worst person you know made good, valid point."