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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/2423375

Why is there so much communist propaganda on lemmy?

curious-marx

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 106 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I’d definitely describe myself as a communist, but I do realize we never had a proper communist state on this planet, just authoritarian states that acted like communists to win over the workers. Capitalism needs to be regulated as fuck to create a fair society, so for now, I strive for socialism, because I understand going straight to communism probably won’t work.

Sorry if this was uncalled for, I just wanted to show there are sensible communists who don’t excuse Russia and China for the shit they’re pulling. But neither do I excuse the west for a lot of shit we are pulling.

Chauvanists like this will spell out China's economic system and reasoning for taking the path they took, and then immediately denounce them for doing exactly what they claim to want. And while they might claim to criticize their own government, they will then turn around and feed you lines that come straight from the state department not-immune-to-propaganda

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Capitalism needs to be regulated as fuck to create a fair society, so for now, I strive for socialism, because I understand going straight to communism probably won’t work.

deng-smile

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

Also, there’s a reason it’s called critical support. Libs reserve nuanced, overall support but granular criticism for countries in the West, but outside of it? Oh no, then it’s a binary, you have to think they’re either evil or do nothing wrong, no in between.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

people like this want to be aristocrats living in their manicured parks so they never have to see people toil. that's what socialism means to them.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

First paragraph, what they're talking about is that they want a society where they get healthcare and education, but they don't mind too much if cops are still murdering Black people, there are some homeless people, and queer people are forced to fight for their rights regularly. Sorry, what can you do? The world isn't perfect!

The second paragraph is them seething about the world not being perfect in the way they specifically wish.

[–] Stoatmilk@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

That first quote is incredible

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Leaves platform enshittified by capitalism

Complains about people being communists

Bruh

rat-salute

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)
>go to site made by communists
>look inside
>communists

peterson-pain how could the woke mob do this

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

More than that.

leave site because it was ruined by capitalists

find new site that's similar but made and maintained by communists to avoid the exact scenario you have a problem with

"We gotta get rid of these communists and make this place more like the place we just abandoned for being terrible."

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Real communism is market ownership by the people, and not some elite cabal of politicians or capitalists. And a top-down planned economy is pretty much anti-communism, as it violates the very fundamentals of communism as being worker-driven.

Ah yes, I learn new things everyday

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

stop talking about market, talk about production maddened

[–] huf@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

communism seen through the lense of thatcher-no-such-thing-as-society... they should find a use for their brain cos it's not doing anything in their skull

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

These countries were previously communist and (of that has that) have pretty much only improved since transitioning to democracy with capitalist economic systems:

[list of countries that are much worse off since the end of the Soviet Union]

[–] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The last stage of the Marxist evolution of communism involves the decay of state institutions through neglect, as they become redundant in a post-scarcity no-cops Utopia.

But there are a bunch of prior stages (including capitalist industrialization even!) that are neglected. And even then, the utopian end-game is routinely disputed by the subsequent generations of Leninists and Maoists who believe we will never truly escape the revolutionary cycle.

There absolutely are Already Existing Socialist states attempting to move themselves from primitive accumulation, through industrial capitalism, and into a collectively governed socialist post-scarcity society. And people absolutely are living in them. And none of them are Utopian (although the quality of life in many of these countries is exhaustively propagandized to be by degrees to be between Unbearably Hellish and FALGSC-adjacent).

The problems that these countries typically have, however, aren’t ones that armchair communists on a niche western internet platform are capable of solving. You’re not going to break the Cuban blockade. You’re not going to settle the endless territorial disputes plaguing Vietnam. You’re not going to undo the legacy of generations of apartheid in South Africa overnight. You’re not going to Make the USSR Great Again.

So maybe save yourself some angst and stop trying to tell Nicholas Maduro and Kim Jung Un how to do their jobs. Maybe worry more about why your local chapter of the DSA can’t get a teacher’s union off the ground.

gigachad

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe worry more about why your local chapter of the DSA can’t get a teacher’s union off the ground.

That's too ambitious. Try getting a book club to actually meet regularly

[–] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Be me, trying to get a book club to meet even once deeper-sadness

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

meow-petted I know it's like herding cats

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These countries were previously communist and (of that has that) have pretty much only improved since transitioning to democracy with capitalist economic systems:

[...]

Russia

[–] axont@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even the most reactionary Russians don't believe this

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Material reality trumps ideology. Make all the shitty boomers experience scientific socialism, and they'd be willing to die to defend it. They'll still fucking suck but they know who'll actually scratch their back

[–] volcel_olive_oil@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

some-controversy facts don't care about your blocklist

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

Sees: Contradictions of capitalism becoming more apparent

Asks: is this communist propaganda?

[–] abc@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m beginning to see why people call lemmy.world the Reddit of the fediverse

lmao comrade @AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com (we're not federated but respect where respect is due)

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How to tell people you haven't read theory without telling people you haven't read theory

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Yeah I've read some Marx. Which works? Uh...the communist manifesto? That's the one where he talks about a utopian society where everyone is equal, right?"

People speak so confidently about what communists believe, and will lie about what they've read to try and hide the fact that they're working entirely off vibes and propaganda.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The amount of libs anarchist-washing Marx is far too high, they see "stateless" and immediately think it means a bunch of people living in communes

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Stateless means no government right?

State and Revolution, what's that? That book I haven't read but presume says that the state is Good, Actually?

It's so fucking frustrating.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

These are the people who tell us we don't read enough lmao

[–] axont@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

why are all these homosexuals sucking my dick

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

As an anti-communist, I am the expert on what communism means and what communists want. As someone who has read no theory, I am the expert.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

sorry not sorry

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do these homosexuals keep sucking my dick

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't tell if I'm banned from lemmy world or they all just shadowbammed me. Theres nothing in the modlog about me being banned sitewide. They all just seem to ignore me

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are in fact banned, 2 months~ ago. Looks like it was for your comments under "Ukraine shoots down 4 Russian fighter jets in weekend killstreak" post. cw for homophobia from .worlders, post (if you were curious)

The reason in the modlog is "Racist reactionary with many modlog actions across many instances"

[–] Packet@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

The Judeo(now Islam)-Marxist Transgender Woke Plague has taken over the internet, truly not Wholesome100

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago
[–] cosmic_cowboy@reddthat.com 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The concept of federated social media is a much more left-leaning approach compared to the mainstream likes of Twitter, Reddit, etc. The people that chose to use Lemmy are much more likely to have left leaning views on other topics as well, skewing the whole platform left.

The left certainly isn't a monolith. Just as some of these views may be standard socialist / communist viewpoints, a left-leaning platform is also more likely to have a disproportionate number of Russian and Chinese apologists.

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

Mate I ain't apologising for shit, China got them beat some-controversy

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I used to be more neutral towards China but the more I read the more I envy how their government is doing. Besides saving possibly millions of lives through their COVID policy, they've been kicking ass recently:

https://hexbear.net/post/2397454 https://hexbear.net/post/2271119

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Russian and Chinese apologists.

It's strange you say this as if there is any consensus on the left that these countries are in need of apology

If anything, we the collective west owe them too many apologies to ever count. But instead, we're watching a genocide unfold from the brink of WW3 for reasons that are entirely our governments fault, and every channel is absolutely swamped with American and "Isreali" apologia.