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[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 109 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“To make this crystal clear, if trial begins and Judge Cannon makes a ruling that is legally erroneous in the middle of the trial, resulting in a not guilty verdict, prosecutors cannot appeal the verdict,” he explained. “That's why Jack Smith wants a ruling before trial, so he can appeal.”

Holy shit! That's a hell of a loophole. Just what trump was looking for.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

That's double jeopardy. You cannot be tried for the same crime twice and that is clearly what Trump and Cannon are counting on.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

In a jury trial it should really only be double jeopardy when the jury comes to a non-guilty verdict. In all other cases both sides should reserve the right to appeal.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (7 children)

How does it feel to be a federal judge and have the vast majority of legal scholars and prosecutors be so fundamentally critical of your orders it's like they are calling you incompetent, corrupt, or both? And you wonder why you lose clerks?

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cannon doesn't give two shits about that or she wouldn't be blatantly siding with the defendant who nominated her.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My "guess" is that Jack Smith has decided it's now or never to get rid of Judge Cannon. It's clear she is dragging this out intentionally. Once Judge Cannon responds that she will not "speed things up" , Jack Smith will go to the Appellete Court and ask to have her removed . That she will give a shit about.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If she is removed it won't matter if she gives a shit about anything.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, then she'll just be a federal judge who is known to be overturned easily and not to be trusted by her colleagues

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

While still being on the bench and doing damage to the system...

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

100 bucks says they deny his appeal and what he says comes true. 100% like Trump and co want and all the GOP. These whole things a joke.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They've already overturned her twice. They know she's an incompetent hack & beholden to Trump.

I said it yesterday, she wants to be removed at a late enough stage of the trial that it will take another judge past the election to get up to speed on the case.

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s important to note too that the ones overturning her were appointed by conservative presidents. It’s that blatantly bad.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We just have to hope their conservative bias doesn't go so far as a fascist takeover. The Bush years were bad but not on this level of corrupt.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do people keep calling her incompetent? As far as I can tell, she's been doing her job -- being a blatantly corrupt ally of Trump -- perfectly.

What opportunity to skew the trial in Trump's favor has she not taken advantage of? 'Cause that's the true measure of her being incompetent.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, this seems more on the order of weaponized incompetence, it's giving the appearance of incompetence for a specific purpose so she can try to avoid claims of corruption or bias. Otherwise, she's doing the job she was put in there to do, that's why Trump and the GOP were so hot on getting all those Judges appointed.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know a whole bunch of Trump people are in prison right and they've already been working on seizing his assets in increments of $100 million

I'm as jaded as anyone about the leniency the justice system keeps showing to Trump, but it's not like everything has been going exactly his way

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Justice delayed is justice denied when the damage is ongoing.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 1 year ago

100% agreed

Everyone's treating it like business as usual. The third floor of the building is engulfed in flames, and the manager on duty is saying "Well we need to finish the staff meeting, dealing with the fire is on the agenda yes, but we have other business to take care of also."

Anyone dealing with anything Trump related should have 24/7 security from the Justice Dept, and everything else on their plate they should get a pass on. If some drug dealers they were also trying a case for need to wait, that's okay.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uh huh, im sure conservatives will face consequences for their actions any day now.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey to be fair, Obama also got away with wearing a khaki suit, and use Dijon sennep on a sandwich. DIJON for crying out loud!!!

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you imagine a president wearing a TAN SUIT?!? It's outrageous!


[–] snooggums@midwest.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you look closely you will notice that all three of those suits are worn by white Republicans.

Totally different.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Oh damn, you are right. I missed that Facepalm

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also like the gif of the truck racing towards the pole.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That'll be the day

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago

The 11th Circuit has previously acted with haste to correct Cannon's errors when those have been brought before the 11th Circuit. And this one is the most glaring error of all, by a longshot.

Smith is going to put something before the full circuit. He's already put down on paper several times about how Trump just wants to delay everything for as long as possible, and this kind of error only serves that purpose.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“You heard evidence during the trial that President Trump exercised that authority, at times verbally and at times without using formal procedures, while he was President,” Trump’s lawyers wrote in the hypothetical jury instructions. “I instruct you that those declassification decisions are examples of valid and legally appropriate uses of President Trump’s declassification authority while he was President of the United States.”

I think that being in Trump's proximity must warp your perception of reality; he is so at odds with the factual world and so strident in how aggressively he puts forth his own personal reality which changes day to day, that the brain just can't cope with it and cognitive dissonance becomes the whole of its operation. I can think of no other reason why a team of actual real-life lawyers would submit something like this and say with a straight face that the judge should be handing it out as the official jury instructions.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wake me when the notice is carried out.

Enjoy your loooooong nap.

[–] maculata@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

“Judge” Cannon should be tried as a traitor to the US and the constitution.

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