this post was submitted on 29 Mar 2024
85 points (100.0% liked)

chat

8151 readers
2 users here now

Chat is a text only community for casual conversation, please keep shitposting to the absolute minimum. This is intended to be a separate space from c/chapotraphouse or the daily megathread. Chat does this by being a long-form community where topics will remain from day to day unlike the megathread, and it is distinct from c/chapotraphouse in that we ask you to engage in this community in a genuine way. Please keep shitposting, bits, and irony to a minimum.

As with all communities posts need to abide by the code of conduct, additionally moderators will remove any posts or comments deemed to be inappropriate.

Thank you and happy chatting!

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Jesus: is crucified

Catholics: “Look at how good this Friday is”

Getting brutally tortured and crucified sounds like a pretty terrible Friday to me. An actual Good Friday would be like, Jesus getting high with his buddies and playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 on the PS1 while eating pizza.

Can someone please explain this.

EDIT: How about “Good Friday” but it’s Jesus getting high with Ice Cube and Chris Tucker.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

They believe Jesus was a sacrifice that freed us all from the Original Sin and opened the Kingdom of Heaven to everyone.

It's deranged. God could have just snapped his fingers and said "okay y'all are saved now" but instead he had to torture his own son to death for no reason. I guess it's to be expected, God also created evil because he wanted to know his children really love him. Manipulative freak.

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but instead he had to torture his own son to death for no reason.

his own son who is also himself, if you're not one of the factions who think the trinity are separate entities. The whole thing is a mess.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] spacecadet@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like the interpretation that Jesus sacrificed himself to free humanity from the existence of God but in classic fashion humanity interpreted it in the opposite, status quo wins again.

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

gnostic gang

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

There's another theory that it was part of Jesus as the 'Jewish Messiah as foretold' but also the new 'Messiah of all mankind' that Jesus' death symbolized God creating an aspect of itself to die in a blood sacrifice to himself as a way for God to synthesize the entire thing and do away with original sin, the blood sacrifice, the exclusivity of the Covenant with Abraham and the "mistake" of burdening his beloved creation - which was in his image - with original sin. It was God's way of saying "I'm sorry, bro" to all mankind by living as a human and dying by human hands.

Or that's something I dreamed up when I started smoking weed while casting off the last of a pretty devout but liberation theology kind of Catholicism. But I swear that's a thing I've read elsewhere. But it could be weed thoughts. It could be where the whole "Jesus is wholly God as God wholly God, different but the same" etc from the trinity in Catholic school of thought from uhhh Council of Nicea days I believe. It's been a while since I plumbed these depths.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] davel@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What were all the previously-dead doing up until then, waiting in purgatory for Jesus to hurry up and be born & die already?

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Catholic doctrine says that in the day between his death and resurrection he went to hell and saved all the souls that didn't have a chance to listen to the Gospel.

It's fucked that they were in hell in the first place, but what can you do

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well that's how the system works, bud. Wait until you hear what God did to anyone who wasn't on Noah's ark... maybe-later-kiddo smuglord

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah yea.

Another thing: isn't a second in hell supposed to feel like an eternity? So even if you died 5 minutes before Jesus did, it felt like forever while he came down to pull you out of there. Double fucked

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] edge@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Edit: oh wait nvm, Jesus picked them up on his long weekend vacation to hell.

“It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham’s bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell.”

~~They're still in "purgatory". Though it's actually just straight up hell.~~

From catholic.com:

By his death and Resurrection, Jesus opened heaven (CCC 1026). Prior to that time all who died went to “hell”; however, the just went to a place in hell referred to as “the Bosom of Abraham,” where they would be comforted. The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31) seems to indicate that there were two parts of hell. Both Lazarus and the rich man died and went to hell, but Lazarus was comforted in the bosom of Abraham while the rich man was in a place of torment. A great chasm separated the two parts.

~~I think they literally don't have any chance of going to heaven. Just because they were born too early and their great*100 grandparents ate an apple.~~

the rich man was in a place of torment

:sicko-yes:

load more comments (13 replies)
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's good because the whole sacrifice thing is a sacrifice in the old school sense - Jesus is sacrificing himself (somehow) so everyone's naughty deeds are forgiven and they all go to heaven. So it's good for humanity. Kind of a bigger scope thing.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jesus's crucifixion makes more sense in Orthodoxy because Jesus had to die so he can go to Hell and beat the shit out of Satan while freeing people in Hell. It kinda reminds me of the plot of Doom 1 where Doomguy died in the first episode and wound up in Hell where he can fuck up more demons.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Damn, that sounds metal as hell, when are we getting the megawad?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Huge fan of the harrowing of hell and related ideas.

[–] ItsPequod@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jesus is sacrificing himself (somehow) so everyone's naughty deeds are forgiven and they all go to heaven

Ah, my favorite contradiction within christianity, which broadly lead to the great schism, the arguments around Consubstantiation. It's fun to think of the different points of view regarding the exact nature and amount of Divinity vs Mortality in Jesus and understand how important it is to the religion as a whole.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

It just sounds like people arguing about homestuck, to me. Like it's occasionally interesting to look at but then I remember how silly it all is, just loops and loops of people arguing about their head cannon for their blorbo, and I quickly remember why I generally stopped being interested in it.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Rom@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Akshually (no shit he said this it's in writing) according to St. Augustine sin is stored in the balls and comes pre-installed. No wonder on whether an embryo made with zero sperm would still have original sin.

That'd be kindof a funny fuck you Christian Fascists. Write a story where some kind is born in a state of grace and totally chill bc they're a clone or something. Wouldn't work, though, Christian Fascists think St. Augustine is a city in Florida.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So what you're saying is every time someone pounds off they're removing sin from their body.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Check's out. I'll call the Pope and let him know.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

actual answer from a 5 second wikipedia search: it comes from an older sense of the word "good" which means "holy"

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] context@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

if i remember my catechism correctly, it's good because the brutal torture and crucifixion is what provides the redemption of everyone's sins forever

dangit, a minute late to two other answers. shouldn't have spent so long editing.

[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

dangit, a minute late to two other answers. shouldn't have spent so long editing.

story of my life cuddle

[–] Mickmacduffin@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

I've never been crucified. Maybe its good

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That’s not even the absurd part in my opinion. The dates for Easter and Jesus’ death changes every year. It makes zero sense. Christmas is on the 25th of each year which makes sense because it’s consider his birth day - and yes I know the story whatever. People still consider it his birthday, and as such, it must be the same day every year - but for some reason we celebrate his death and resurrection on completely different dates each year.

The historical explanation is because of competing holidays around the same time, but socially it makes no sense because this is not how annual occasions work. Imagine if “July 4th” was celebrated on “the second Thursday of every July” and it could be the 2nd, the 3rd, the 8th, etc.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

It's all co-opting of existing pagan holidays so people can keep their parties around the winter solstice and spring equinox. "Yeah, you can keep your party, just say it's for our god now" works pretty well as a conversion tool.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's just tied to the traditional Jewish holiday of Passover which is based on the Lunar Calendar. It ain't that deep.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] asg101@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You are asking Christianity (or ANY religion) to make sense? The whole point of religious absurdity is to test faith and destroy critical thinking.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't Good Friday supposed to be the "the son of God is dead and man has killed him" solemn day and Easter is the "nah, but he's back now and says it's all good because his sacrifice was made to save our souls" party day?

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's what I remember from being raised devout catholic and living most of my life in a majority catholic country.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Christianity is a death cult.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

there would probably be some kind of timing and logic if HOLY MOTHER CHURCH wasn't basically an ad-hoc variety show, hot-glued together to overwrite pagan holidays--spring being a big deal, because it's time to sow seeds, the grass is growing for animals chomp on, and life is BACK baby--while simultaneously diffusing the revolutionary fervor of this wack cult coming out of judea that was popular with the destitute and edgy rich people into something the roman imperial machine (DVDES ROCK SPQR) can accept and use to subjugate/enslave.

once you accept that the big christian holidays are an improvisational sketch to appropriate the instinctive enthusiasm and desire to mark the passage of seasons, [the sun, the moon, and the stars] but keep the focus on the clown show instead of what's behind the curtain, it's easy to understand why it's slapdash and withers under scrutiny.

yeah yeah, jesus was cool. that's why they lit his ass up... and now they want to be the ones to tell the story? sorry, we can all read now. the only redemption going on is the sun returning (#NorthernHemisphereGang) with its long days and giving us another year of food, textiles, and building materials. everything else being celebrated is grabass.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

its mistranslation of good fry day, the day when its finally good to grillman

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

EDIT: How about “Good Friday” but it’s Jesus getting high with Ice Cube and Chris Tucker.

I'm not sure who's who, or why the AI decided to put Hatsune Miku in there, but I'm sure it tried its best.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Something something Nietzsche something something the inversion of values

you eat fish. that's pretty good.

[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Wait til you hear about lent, palm Sunday and ash Wednesday

[–] TrudeauCastroson@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Idk what good Friday even is, I thought he got crucified on Thursday because Jesus came back 3 days after dying (on Sunday).

Maybe I have a body-building-forum-member understanding of days of the week, but:

  • coming back a day later on sunday would be crucified Saturday,

  • coming back 2 days later would be crucified Friday

  • coming back 3 days later (the canon) would be Thursday

[–] davel@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

body-building-forum-member understanding of days of the week

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So the specific phrasing is "on the third day," not "three days later." Easter is the third day of him being dead/buried, (part of) Friday + Saturday + (part of) Sunday.

It's just a case of old terminology sounding weird to modern ears.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Besides, I think days in Jewish tradition end at sundown (I know this from having Jewish coworkers, for whom Shabbat started at sundown on Friday), and Jesus was supposed to die on Friday afternoon.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

I think the purpose is to eat as much fried fish as possible, or at least it was when I was Catholic. I'm actually excited for Easter, but only because I gave up sweets for lent.

load more comments
view more: next ›