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[โ€“] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They teach people about Paperclip to whitewash the post-war collaboration with those goons cuz "what, it's just a few technical experts, no biggie". Meanwhile, look at the FRG's politicians, military, intelligence, corporations, NATO, EU officials....

[โ€“] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've had libs argue to me that the only option was to let Nazi officers continue in command of West German armed forces, because there just was no other way to keep the army ready against those dastardly evil Soviets, and there weren't enough qualified non-Nazis to take the reins

What exactly qualifies the Nazis?

[โ€“] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Donโ€™t look up why the Unit 731 was never punished

[โ€“] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah Operation Bloodstone is far worse than Operation Paperclip and hardly anyone knows about it.

[โ€“] Flyberius@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This would work very well with the Isildur and Elrond at mount doom meme format.

[โ€“] Aquilae@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Lol I'd actually made that after posting this to use later

[โ€“] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would even work if it just said "Nazis".

[โ€“] Flyberius@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, TBF you are right.

[โ€“] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

The USSR also used Nazi scientists. It would be a waste to get rid of them without siphoning their knowledge first. The difference is that the Soviets didnโ€™t create a legacy for those scientists. They were forced to contribute to rocketry and either shot or told to fuck off back to Germany and live in obscurity forever. Russian students didnโ€™t open up their textbooks and see Dr. Otto von Duffenmurdรซr-Hirohito being praised as a master of propulsion.

[โ€“] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

โ€œB-b-but the Ribbentrop pactโ€ wojak-nooo

[โ€“] emizeko@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Klaus Barbie

[โ€“] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's not pretend that Operation Osoaviakhim didn't exist either though.

[โ€“] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those people were quietly disappeared as their purpose was served, the US' West German puppet state had more Nazi party members in many agencies, notably the "Justice" agency responsible for prosecuting or protecting them.

From 1949 to 1973, 90 of the 170 leading lawyers and judges in the then-West German Justice Ministry had been members of the Nazi Party.

Of those 90 officials, 34 had been members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), Nazi Party paramilitaries who aided Hitler's rise and took part in Kristallnacht, a night of violence that is believed to have left 91 Jewish people dead.

Fully 77 percent of senior ministry officials in 1957 were former members of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party, a higher proportion even than during the 1933-45 Third Reich, the study found.

[โ€“] Aquilae@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those people were quietly disappeared as their purpose was served

Know of any sources on that specifically? Don't doubt it but it would be useful

[โ€“] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know I've read some Parenti that gets into it a bit, I'll take a look. Most were not literally executed, but the Soviets denied scientists acknowledgement for work, often they had as little knowledge of what they were really working on as possible (which may have hindered their contributions). But the only allegations attributing specific individuals their contributions that I've found before the collapse of the USSR appear in Western language sources, usually of those who were seemingly useful long enough or non-ideological enough to be sent home, and of those really just those that made their way to West Germany (and often ultimately the US) or were close to those that did.

[โ€“] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

I have my critiques of Operation Osoaviakhim, but the crucial differences still remains that with the Soviets those monsters were used and discarded, in the west they were used and then elevated to positions of power

Fully 77 percent of senior ministry officials in 1957 were former members of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party, a higher proportion even than during the 1933-45 Third Reich, the study found.

The Soviets didn't excute enough nazis, but they never messed up this bad