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Not including us, obviously. But on a public political level, holy shit lmao imaging being a dead-souled loser to allow yourself to get owned by fucking soyboy jones

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately he's probably doing it because he's actually anti-semitic, which will be ammo in lib's guns pointed at us, because "wow you stupid tankies agree with ALEX JONES? That's just MORE PROOF in horseshoe theory! You tankies are just like the right!"

No you dumbass libs we don't agree with Alex Jones. Yes, we want a ceasefire and an end to the genocide, but for entirely different reasons. Context matters. Well, to us anyway. Context doesn't matter to libs, they are incapable of understanding context.

[–] davel@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately he's probably doing it because he's actually anti-semitic

Who knows what propagandists actually believe. They’re actors playing a characters to influence public opinion and make money.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right.

Jones wants a ceasefire because he wants all the Jews to be wiped out by Hamas.

We want a ceasefire because we don't want to watch Palestinians be killed off and forced out of Palestine by Israel.

[–] HeavenAndEarth@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not defending Jones here obviously, but how could a ceasefire hypothetically help Hamas wipe out the Jews?

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

The right wing thought is that Isreal is defending itself against terrorists that will surely immediately and completely destroy Isreal the moment Isreal stops the killing.

It's absolutely positively ridiculous but this is what they actually think. Similar to how they thought if we didn't blow up Iraq or Afghanistan they would continue to do 25 9/11s every single day until America is completely destroyed. Right wing folks aren't too smart.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I suppose 'wiped out' is far too strong, more like 'let Hamas kill as many Jews as possible while trying to demonize Israel'. Like Infamousblt pointed out, I was going with the defacto rightwing mode of thinking, which is 'the evil brown people will kill as many people as possible unless they themselves are being wiped out'

It also occurs to me he may be trying to poison the well here by himself wanting ceasefire, trying to make it seem less palatable for anyone left of him.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Right wing grifters learned from Trump to occasionally attack from the left, especially on the western war machine.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tucker Carlson also play that trick some times.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Tucker is an odd one because he shifted from being a bog standard neoconservative to an ur-conservatism of the state protecting traditional hierarchies/groups. So some of his rhetoric that sounds leftish is really a revival of pre-market absolutism conservatism.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump stole the media being the enemy of the people from Lenin

God I fucking hate it here

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't the Nazis also used the same rhetoric?

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

who do you think they stole it from?

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The nazis stole it from Lenin?

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 1 year ago

Psychiatrist: Milenin it's not real, it can't hurt you.

Milenin: lenin-da

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

imaginging a conversation between 2020 me and 2024 me on Bernie Sanders

there would be a lot of yelling

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (8 children)

2016 me and 2024 me definitely. By 2020 I was not taking him seriously, I still had hope for sure but any candidate who fails a presidential run and runs again should be viewed highly skeptically (HEY HILLARY!).

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Just imagine a room filled with yous representing every year since you were in high school and imagine the level of arguing and shitflinging there would be.

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Klandace Owens got fired from Daily Wire for reporting Gaza death figures as well.

I predict we're gonna see alot of the softer leftist-politics-as-personal-branding types start to waffle and water down their rhetoric to the point of uselessness to avoid being associated with these guys.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Klandace Owens got fired from Daily Wire

Woah, really? Is she just going to be fulltime TPUSA now?

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/candace-owens-daily-wire-out-1235949509/

As of right now looks like she's just going back to Youtube, I think there's beef between her and Charlie Kirk these days but I haven't been paying as much attention to this stuff as I used to.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Love how at the end of the day all these assholes know it's a grift and don't trust each other if they don't already have a knife at their throat.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do not in fact have to hand it to Alex Jones.

Like, he's the kind of guy who's actually just pushing this because of a slightly different strain of antisemitic brainworms. This isn't an outflank from the 'left'.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Even acknowledging all that he's still objectively better on the topic than Biden.

Fuck Alex Jones, but fuck him slightly less than the DNC ghouls pretending to be morally superior to him while continuing the genocide.

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[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

robotic

he just couldn't resist could he

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NSFL footage of Israeli drone attack recently.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got that, but why is the use of the term by Alex Jones notable? Tabitha wouldn't have brought it up if there wasn't another meaning.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

it gives the text that scifi/conspiracy/chemicals/illuminati vibe

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've always had the feeling that Alex Jones was a limited hangout. Call me a conspiracy nut or whatever idc.

I have literally zero proof of him being one either but he seems to swoop in, take a narrative that is inconvenient to the government and either be completely honest about it while sandwiching it between some completely unhinged bullshit or he'll take that narrative, dial it up to 11 and start talking about how it's a plan by the interdimensional Anunnaki to steal our souls, just like what happened to the Aztec empire 5,000 years ago and that's when the Aztec recorded predictions in stone engravings, which have been suppressed by the Mexican government, that there would be a resurgence of Anunnaki activity right now as a herald of the impending apocalypse or some shit.

Does it say something that people like Detestiny are being completely outflanked by Alex Jones? Yes.

Does it trouble me that Alex Jones has suddenly weighed in on this matter? Also yes.

Now double up on the tinfoil for my concluding thoughts...

Given everything that I've said above, does Alex Jones weighing in on this signal that they've completely lost control over the narrative and this is one of their last-ditch attempts at trying to reassert control? Actually yeah, it kinda does.

[–] FanonFan@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'd bet anything he has at least two handlers

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Woah, that was all like... coherent and stuff. Didn't know he had it in him. Didn't even talk about gay frogs once.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

He can't be the caricatured buffoon he comes off as bc A/V equipment is too hard for that character to figure out and he's been portraying the character for a long time.

as another commenter mentioned, the word "robotic" kinda gives it that scifi/illuminati/conspiracy vibe

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is starting to align again with all the people who predict Biden will still win. Once the Palestinian cause becomes politicized and turns into the same blue vs red team, once the genocide becomes a question of whether or not you're handing it to Trumpists, it is over.

The neoliberals were definitely correct in pushing the whole Ukraine war as a matter of "western values" and if the Gaza genocide becomes "we can't allow the Axis of Evil/Trump allies to dictate terms" shit then libs will support Biden even harder.

The only reason the Israel propaganda is less effective is the generational issue(gen z doesn't care about Ukraine) and maybe Israel/Zionism went too hard and too fast on the whole "right to defend itself" narrative and it is hard to back off from that.

I can't imagine a spin that Isntreal could have spun to make people like it when you kill a fuckload of people for no reason. Cause they sure pushed a hostages angle but then they killed hostages themselves. They pushed the human shield thing and nobody believed in tunnels under hospitals and then they used civilians as shields themselves. At some level it can't just be narrative and the simple fact is that genocide is cringe. That's why it's not even left right - it's not even left right as lefties know it. Nobody wants to give these freaks a goddamn dollar, some of us want to give them... a piece of our mind at the polls. I'd be shocked if you could spin a genocide in 4k as inevitable and just but a question whether Biden or trump do it. When it happened at the border people fucking hated Biden for it

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[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

I'll be interested to see the knowledge fight take on this tbh.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

alex-supplements imagine being more on the right than this guy alex-no-supplements

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

imma be real, genocide is not right/left question tbh (for purposes of electoralism, where you take politicians as bundled packages of dogshit - it is, but not).

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All the libs being like "omg can't you see he's just doing this tonfgrift I can't believe leftists are saying this makes him better than Biden, damn tankies."

Yea we know he's a totally full of shit right wing bigot and genocidal asshole.

That doesn't change the fact he's still better on this topic than Biden even acknowledging this is just completely empty lip service.

That's still better than what Biden has done.

Also Jones hasn't personally authorized the continuation of the genocide, a second way he's better on the topic than Biden.

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[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Social Democracy increasingly losing the title of moderate wing of fascism.

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