this post was submitted on 21 Mar 2024
37 points (97.4% liked)

chapotraphouse

13473 readers
1 users here now

Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.

No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer

Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank

Dunk posts in general go in the_dunk_tank, not here

Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from the_dunk_tank

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Wondering about this. Like "putin schill" gets thrown around so lightly, and what's being said is "you're not even wrong, you're just a brainwashed puppet making puppet noises at the behest of your sinister masters".

Like the libs don't even see it as an argument, it's just evil magic orc speech or something. Whatever we're saying is wrong because putin is making us say it, somehow

Thinking about how it ties in to ignorance or denial of various atrocities. Like " hey, Joe did this horrible thing" and getting back "no he didn't, and that didn't happen, and if it did you only think it's bad because putin mind controlled you" kind of thing.

top 10 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] buh@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Thinking that being misinformed is the cause of disagreement between themselves and others is part of the liberal idealistic worldview. It goes in the other direction too; you can see it in the liberal belief that chuds don't take covid seriously simply because of a lack of scientific knowledge, when it's clear they only stopped giving a shit when research came out that covid disproportionately affected minorities and retail/service/ag workers. They just can't imagine a world where people hold different positions due to a difference in material interests.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that tracks. I get huge amounts of pushback and denial when i try to tell people that fascists do fascist stuff because they have fundamentally different goals and desires compared to libs. But tell libs that the fash aren't stupid or ignorant but rather have a different world view and desires and goals, and i get a lot of hate from the libs.

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you are a russian and, frankly, racist. do better

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Hahah! But I am actually Georgian! waluigi-stalin

[–] Magician@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

The most propagandized people on earth are telling us we're mind controlled. It's easier to believe than their entire worldview being wrong or that you're lying to them.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

I think we broadly agree with liberals on what we want. Liberty, equality, justice, democracy, etc. Where we disagree is the absolute state of reality.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

They live in a bubble and don't realize that 90% of the world hates them and their world order for very good reason.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I was radicalized by liberal media lol. Growing up I watched shit like CNN, Vice, NBC, BBC, Guardian, etc. and saw a bunch of news about Nazis in Ukraine (and Russia, but Russia was the bad guy of the west so I wasn’t surprised). The only RT videos I watched were of riots without caring about the context - I just wanted to see cops get beaten.

I’m not a Yakubian devil so I don’t have Hitler genes that activate later in life, so when I see a bunch of white people putting in so much effort to defend guys in SS uniforms and death skull patches and swastika armbands, I assume you’re a Nazi and delusional if you demand I support them alongside you.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It goes back to the old idea that communists are nefarious brainwashers that can manipulate the minds of people on a whim.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Which, if I remember my history, was invented during the Korean War when US soldiers kept defecting and explaining the crimes against humanity the US was committing to DPRK officials. "Our boys would never refuse to participate in an immortal mass slaughter! It must be... uh... um... BRAIN WASHING!"