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Israel’s leadership is pushing the allegations that Hamas fighters raped Israeli women during the October 7 attacks for its own political objectives while the government’s ongoing refusal to allow the United Nations to conduct a full investigation into the matter threatens to hinder any evidence, advocates have warned.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Once again a wall of text without evidence. I am wondering why I am taking the time to even read this.

You seem to be unable to discern between a conclusion and the evidence for said conclusion. One cannot come to a conclusion without evidence for it.

What information is used to come to the conclusion in the UN paragraphs you are linking?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Yeah, sure, my lack of posting documents with detailed explanations of what the evidence was, and pointing to where within those documents you can find that information -- that's the problem here. How could I not have seen it 🙂. I can only hope to do better in the future.

(Pages 8-11 cover the standards of proof and methodology employed in general, and of course each subsection discusses briefly what specific evidence was employed in reaching the conclusions of that section.)

Here's the link to the report. I sent it to you already, but maybe it was eaten by a bear in transit.

Hey, quick question -- you seemed to say that the report covered only the festival itself, as part of an argument where it would be impossible for rape to even have occurred because apparently attacking the festival was an active firefight and not a terrorist attack on a helpless and terrified civilian population. What are the five subsections of III(c)1 that come after the first one (festival and surroundings), please? I am testing your reading comprehension and ability to follow links to evidence, since you seem to be having a great deal of difficulty in doing so.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I did not ask you which factors were taken into consideration I asked you which factors were used as evidence for the conclusion of the report. Which the UN refuses to use as evidence that Hamas committed rape.

Consider reading https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/pramila-pattens-rape-fantasies instead of the UN report. Legalese proves too difficult for some.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, quick question -- you seemed to say that the report covered only the festival itself, as part of an argument where it would be impossible for rape to even have occurred because apparently attacking the festival was an active firefight and not a terrorist attack on a helpless and terrified civilian population. What are the five subsections of III(c)1 that come after the first one (festival and surroundings), please? I am testing your reading comprehension and ability to follow links to evidence, since you seem to be having a great deal of difficulty in doing so.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

No thanks I don't feel like taking a pivot. Go read Finkelsteins blog spelling it all out and come back then if you have any questions about it.

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