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Why the hell do I keep seeing positive comments about the lib dems here? Is everyone on this website too young to remember them completely folding to the Tories on literally every issue when they had a coalition in 2010?
OP is rational enough to be considering the alterative.
Your statement has no logic. As you are basically saying you prefer the tories in opposition to the lib dems. Because the lib dems helped the tories once.
You live in a fptp system. So when you reject people voting lib dem tactically. You are openly choosing the party with most support in those constituencies. Not some wonderful utopia where you get to choose a party you agree with on everything.
That option simply dose not exist as an option to lead the UK. Not without first changing the UK to some form of proportional system.
Under FPTP your choice is to vote for the lesser of 2 evils or be by default voting for the greater.
"umm, akshully by not voting for biden you're voting for trump"
Actually fuck off, loser - you're the illogical one claiming we just have to engage with the system harder to change things, it'll definitely work this time even though it hasn't for the last hundreds of years we've been trying. Stop sitting on your arse thinking that the special peice of paper is going to meaningfully help anyone, go outside, and burn down a polling station.
You're talking the talk but are you walking the walk? Are you out actively engaging in the tactics that you're apparently advocating? Or are you just participating in anti-electoralism/accelerationism, hoping that wins for the far-right, contrary to history, result in anything but increased suffering and mass murder?
The far right took over 30 years ago you fucking nonce. What do you think Thatcher meant when she said Blair was her greatest achievement? We've never been a remotely progressive country, but neoliberalism has been draining the country dry for most of my life, and the last 5 years have especially demonstrated how the ruling parties are in no way beholden to the public despite our alleged democracy. Maybe your GCSE history teacher wasn't very good at it, but they did explain the rise of fascism in Germany and how it doesn't start with killing.
If you're not feeling too brave maybe you could start small, like spoiling your ballot, instead of giving a complete endorsement to the parties and systems that are destroying our country.
They did not "fold to the Tories on every issue".
For a minor coalition partner they surprisingly well at getting a number of their manifesto pledges inacted.
..and it's clear to see by how much damage the Tories did after 2015 how much the LDs reigned in the Tories.
Yes, you're going to cite the student loans. The Tories made it a choice between votes on that and a referendum on voting reform. They went with the referendum. The loans vote wasn't even close if I recall correctly. Of course, the referendum was a sham as well.
Sorry, every the major issue then. And good reminder, they did manage to get some very minor concessions against the tidal wave of austerity they also contributed.
Nobody gets any credit for legalising gay marriage because it took us until 2014. That should be nothing but a matter of national shame. Even the tories weren't meaningfully opposing it.