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I'm not trying get around the_dunk_tank's rule 8 with this post- loathsome as both these guys are, I think this exchange actually does illustrate a real tension and contradiction within American reactionaries and within American capitalism. The petty-bourgeois tyrant wants the most exploitable worker and the white lumpen-prole feels entitled to be a labor aristocrat. Interesting and unresolvable contradiction that exemplifies why fascism is ultimately unworkable.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not an unresolvable contradiction.

This is class conflict visible within fascism. The resolution of this contradiction is the same resolution throughout historical materialism - revolution and the construction of a different society that loosens the relationship between ruling class and exploited class.

Many have phrased fascism as a means of exterminating and cleansing socialists from society, like an antibody mechanism. But another interpretation could be that one of the defence mechanisms that capitalists have found to prevent capitalism from moving forwards to socialism is to roll capitalism backwards to a form of barbarism so that the revolution that does occur only re-instates capitalism rather than moving forwards to socialism.

If the resolution of contradictions through class conflict is inevitable and society generally moves forwards when these revolutions occur then it stands to reason if you intentionally roll things backwards then you can functionally limit the amount of forward movement that occurs. Fascism can be seen as a function of frustrating the inevitable path of historical materialism.

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not an unresolvable contradiction.

This is class conflict visible within fascism. The resolution of this contradiction is the same resolution throughout historical materialism - revolution and the construction of a different society that loosens the relationship between ruling class and exploited class.

You're right, and I'm sorry because I may have poorly phrased what I meant. I mean it's unresolvable within the framework of fascism, that fascism is unable to resolve this contradiction. Is that clearer?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

No no you don't need to to be sorry about it. I just wanted to point out we're just watching the same historical force play out in a different form. It'd be legitimately interesting if not for the horror involved with it.