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Israel has encroached on 32% of Gaza (www.aljazeera.com)

submitted 1 year ago by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/news@beehaw.org

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[+] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are pleased to use the devastation and fragmentation and discoordination of a region which used to be connected and prosperous as some sort of gotcha against Palestine’s legitimacy- In all ignorance of the fact israel inflicted that devastation and fragmentation, ensured that the only coordination could be underground, with the necessary help of US dollars.

Which is, again, ancient history. Israel was established as a nation after the Six Day War. It doesn't matter how wrong that war was, or why it was done, or how it was done. It was done, and it was done over 70 years ago. Borders are established most of the time through bloody conflict, so this is not something that is suddenly unique to Israel.

for Palestinian independence

Which is what? Which borders do you agree are Palestine? Is it:

The West Bank? Sound fine to me. Maybe they should start pushing this with the UN and officially ratify it?
The West Bank and Gaza Strip? No. They can't properly manage two separate landmasses like that. And even when they had the chance to accept that accord, they rejected it.
The entirely of Israel, West Bank, and Gaza. Fuck no. This is what I'm talking about when it comes to ancient grudges. They fought a war and lost. It happened. Israel formed. Ancient history.

That support only continues because of the strategic and material advantage of having a hold on Suez shipping

Are you actually serious? You think the entirety of the Israeli independence was because of a shipping lane? Not the fact that Jerusalem is in the center, or that a bunch of displaced Jews wanted to form their own state, or the fact that there have been several crusades to take back Jerusalem for centuries? In fact, I will accept almost any religious-based argument you give me. But, not because of a fucking shipping lane.

And as far as continued support, let's not forget that there's still a bunch of nukes pointed at Russia from Israel. Why do you think the Cuba Missile Crisis happened?

is that remnant of the ottoman empire

I... ummm, I'm going to have to stop right there. The Ottoman Empire ended in 1922. You are, again, using ancient grudges to justify terrorism.

What of their right to exist? Open war and guerilla war and terrorism- flying planes into skyscrapers: This is what they will take when they are denied the right to exist.

Yeah, I shouldn't have read any more. Now you're calling 9/11 a justified act. This conversation is over.