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Correct. The solution is representatives who support non-FPTP systems. Your options are Democrats (some have some support for non-FPTP), Republicans (passionately oppose non-FPTP because FPTP is the only way they win) and third-party choices who actively support non-FPTP (single digit percentages of voter share).
The only rational play is to vote D while doing everything possible to campaign to make those third-parties viable. Voting R is failure. Not voting is failure. Voting for non-viable third-parties is failure. D is a means to an end, necessary but not sufficient.
Correct answer.
If 3rd party proponents ACTUALLY want to do something. It needs to start at the local level and build up from there.
This shit of voting in the presidential election and thinking you're accomplishing anything positive is sad...
... execpt voting for the so-called third parties. that's never "rational", apparently.
Correct.
no, it's not. it's completely irrational to think any candidate can succeed unless people vote for that candidate.
No 3rd party candidate can ever succeed in the US due to first past the post voting. The only time parties change are when one party completely collapses, and then we still have a two party system, just with a different two parties.
repeating your story doesn't make it rational.
It's the truth. You don't like it, too bad. Campaign for ranked choice voting.
saying it's true dosn't make it so.
I'm just relaying information.
relaying incorrect and misleading information is a disservice.
Parroting Russian misinfo is a disservice.
I don't think anyone here is doing that
don't tell me what to do.
I'm just advising you on how to actually achieve what you say you want. Alternatively, you could scream and cry and poop your pants some more. Been working great so far.
but you're wrong. so i'm not taking your "advice"
3rd parties cannot win presidential elections. That has been true for every election in the history of America. And you have the arrogance to say that's wrong?
it's wrong to say that they can win but only if you don't vote for them. it makes no sense at all.
What? No it's just mathematically impossible for them to win.
it's impossible to win.. if people don't vote for you.
Even if they do, still can't win. Do you not know how first past the post voting works?
the only way any candidate wins is people voting for them
I ask again, do you know how first past the post voting works?
it's not a magic phrase that makes it possible for someone to win without getting votes.
So, no.