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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What are you proposing? A revolution?

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How far did you read about the French Revolution before you closed the book? Because it certainly seems like you read the part about overthrowing the rich and then stopped reading about what happened next.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Let's be honest: nobody actually reads history. If they did they would know that the citizens of Paris eventually burned the guillotine because it had killed so many people.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you doing the work to make it happen or just waiting for one to come around?

Besides, voting until (lol) it happens would make a ton of sense.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you know about the leftist attitude towards revolution vs adventurism?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How would one "do the work" for creating a revolution? Do you understand what revolutionary leftists actually advocate for?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm asking you what you are doing to create it, by asking like that it sounds like you're not doing anything

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you think anyone can "create" a revolution? That's my point, you don't know what revolutionary leftists actually want, so why are you asking such questions?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People have managed to do or attempt a few

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution#Communist_revolutions_and_coups_throughout_history

why are you asking such questions

Because I have a small hunch you aren't doing anything towards one

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you read anything written by the people leading those movements, perhaps? Do you know what their revolutionary strategy was?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wasn't thinking you were a leader, I asked you to name anything you've done to further that revolution. And you're being really evasive about it. It's silly.

Have you read anything written by the people leading those movements, perhaps? Do you know what their revolutionary strategy was?

Yes to both. Can you just answer my question now?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm asking you to consider the framing of your question. Revolutions do not happen because people organize them, or because individuals start bombing the state. That's adventurism, and more often than not results in turning people away from revolution unless already radicalized. They also do not happen by forcing conditions to get worse faster, that's accelerationism.

I am from the United States, a country that depends on Imperialism, or unequal exchange with the global south, to inflate worker living standards and deradicalize the proletariat. As such, the conditions for revolution do not exist yet.

As such, I fulfill the role of any good leftist in the meantime. I donate to strike funds with what I can, learn and teach theory, protest and boycott, and organize.

What would you have me do otherwise, that does not fall within the category of adventurism? You can't "make a revolution happen," revolutions are a consequence of declining material conditions.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

In what manner?

No, just to make sure the little bubble on the ballot is really well colored in.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Yes. Voting for the ones the duopoly and their rich owner donors let people vote for clearly isn't working.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"No just vote! but vote for a Democrat of course..." ~ average neoliberal

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

~ average leftist who understands the voting mechanism.

Vote Democrat until "You're voting 3rd party? Everyone knows D and R are the only viable options" becomes "You're voting R? Everyone knows D and 3rd party are the only viable options"

Republicans have been strategically big-tenting for generations, leftist-unity is so embarrassing it's become a meme.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This. If the republican party crumbles, Democrats could become the right party, with Progressives as the left. At least then we'd have two parties with ideas and an interest in governing.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt I'll live to see a world where leftist policy is truly mainstream, but I think I might live to see a world where the Democrats are the far-right party.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Orange guy wins and you'll likely live to see first hand a recreation of how the Nazis turned Germany into a dictatorship...

Very well may be the last vote you ever make that even matters a little.