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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Isn't this true for all jobs? Specially corporate jobs? It's still horrible, but that's capitalism for you.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago

The same problem exists in socialism

You need to convince people what you’re doing is worth doing. Whether that is economically or societally

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with capitalism. If we were under a king, you'd still have to schmooze the king. Socialism may give you money to feed yourself, but it won't pay you to do science. An economic system doesn't prevent you from needing interpersonal skills.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Socialism wouldn't pay you to do science, but it would give you a universal basic income, so you could do science without needing to be paid if you wanted

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

Most science can't be done on a basic income, you need funds to buy equipment, to operate equipment, and maintain equipment. Most science also can't be done alone. You have to be able to sell others on your ideas, in any economical system that is not post-scarcity.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

These scientists aren't schmoozing for a paycheck. Research is expensive. They're getting funding for equipment and personnel.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

If you want to be in any creative field like art or literature, you have to be able to run a social media business. It's like 80% PR and 20% the creative work you actually want to do.

Across the board, we have let people who are primarily motivated by accumulating wealth and power accumulate wealth and power unchecked, and then make all the rules for how everything around them works.

These are the last people you want making the rules if you desire sane and sustainable social environments.

The best thing we could collectively do for ourselves is strip and block these kinds of people from positions of authority on the sheer basis that they seek it so eagerly, tell them to their faces WHY, tell them they can't have it back and that they can ONLY have it back when they stop wanting it so badly, no matter HOW HARD they cry about it and then treat them with the same kind of disdain they've treated people who don't want to play by THEIR rules for centuries.