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[–] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (69 children)

We aren’t carnivores, we are omnivores. An advantage that surely allowed the growth of our brains and allowed us to become the dominant species in the planet.

Our teeth our designed in a way to both rip/tear meat and also grind up plants.

It is great that some sector of the population can be vegetarian or vegan, but it isn’t a realistic option if everyone did so. Farming is destroying hundred of thousands of acres of land every year. Keeping up with a plant-based only diet for 8 billion people isn’t feasible with the current technology and farming practices of today.

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (25 children)

You are spreading misinformation. Veganism requires vastly less land and water resources. Type “land use food calculator” into google

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Veganism requires vastly less land and water resources

This too can cause misinformation.

Supporting a vegetarian diet requires less land and water resources.

Veganism requires the overuse of pesticides to the point that it makes the soil become unusable faster and hence needs higher treatment upkeep, essentially causing faster consumption of the limited energy resources we have.

You are spreading misinformation.

You were correct until here, but the land use food calculator will actually only be giving information pertaining to a normal (non-vegan) crop.

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What you are missing here is that we wouldn’t need to grow more food than we do now, we would need to grow less. Whatever issue you can point at for growing enough plants to feed the world, we’re already dealing with now. We already grow enough plant based calories to feed the world over, we just feed it to cows and other livestock. We would need to use less pesticides (not to mention antibiotics) even if everyone was vegan.

You are also narrowing in on obscure edge cases. As others have pointed out not all problems need to be solved and not all people need to adopt a vegan diet for us to make progress towards sustainability. It would be like worrying about the grid and battery technology and strip mining required to create solar panels etc. in the transition to renewable energy. worthy causes for sure but not justification to keep using fossil fuels.

And people don’t even have to change their moral judgment in the case of doing it for climate reasons. They are free to keep believing however they do. Though I suspect that once people stop eating meat for pragmatic reasons the motivated reasoning behind their moral judgment will collapse.

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social -1 points 1 year ago

What I am putting up there, is that, stopping meat is not the problem.
The problem arises with using the veganism buzzword, which will make people think that paying those who advertise vegan stuff would make anything better.

It would most definitely make it worse than whole vegetarian (which includes putting up with the insects and worms that come during farming) and might even end up being as much of a burden as the meat industry.
People will think they are doing better, while not actually doing better, which is worse than the status quo.

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