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[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've seen a lot more goofy statements like this, to the point that it feels purposeful. Find a small article that's growing, about a topic that people are interested, and make totally incorrect statements about "Dems" and then just shuffle off when challenged on them.

Democrats wholeheartedly support unions, advocate for the rights of workers, and support the rights of the people, whereas Conservatives do not. They take a more business-oriented stance that fights against unions, providing better results for business owners.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, Biden did intervene on the rail strike, and with bipartisan support force a contract upon the workers. So i don’t think democrats are pro union when it’s time to put up or shut up. It’s important to note that this and genocide is a both sides issue. The main difference is democrats are less right wing. But still not left wing

[–] protist@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

He stopped their strike to avoid crippling the US economy and kept supporting the unions in their contract negotiations until the unions got the sick leave they were asking for.

From the IBEW:

"We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers."

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How were the other demands of the rail workers addressed though?

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He stopped the union from using its power to get what it wants, and dragged the matter out for months longer before they got what they would have if left to their own in the first place.

Also they were fighting for 15 days, none of them got 15 days.

You are not the billionaire class, never side with a strike breaker.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know where you got that I'm siding with the billionaire class with my direct quote from a fucking involved union. Jesus fucking christ bro

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Strike breaking is a terrible precedent. It makes sure the workers know power comes from above and not from below, which is where it should come from, sucking the power and energy from organizing, which is necessary for when there are less friendly presidents out there.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup they got sick days for the office workers. The guys who are actually close to the metal are still as fucked as they were before the strike.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Still don't have 2 person engineer teams...

Only 1 union has paid sick leave agreements with all class 1 carriers

Some railroads use a points-based attendance system. While each points-based system is different, they all provide employees with the flexibility to take reasonable amounts of time off, the ability to earn credits for regular attendance and a way to challenge attendance-related actions that they believe may have been unwarranted.

-American Association of Railroads (They represent the corporations) admitting they're still using the attendance system that started all of this in the first place.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

2 person crews was not an issue put on the table at all by the unions in 2022. The only reason they're even able to bring it to the table now is because they've made progress on sick leave and scheduling systems, which were their priorities in 2022. You really reaching for something negative here

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It absolutely was part of it.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. You're all over this thread just ignoring the sources you demand. I'm not wasting anymore time on you.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You haven't given a single source from a union asking for something that hasn't been addressed in their contracts since all this went down in 2022

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then you need to reread the sources already posted.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Read through them all. You're welcome to describe your point, if you have one

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Lies..the Dems voted through the anti-union legislation stopping the railway workers from striking and Biden signed it. Dems only play at being pro-union until it hurts the Capitalist class too much. To deny this is lying to yourself and everyone.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The base does. The leadership just pays lip service.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The leadership works behind closed doors to pressure the companies to give the unions what they want, judging from the rail workers.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

They got just enough to say they did that. The rail workers are actually something like 10 unions. The companies gave half of them their demands so everyone could take a victory lap. The worst abuses and safety violations were never addressed.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And whenever you look further in the comment chain you realize, that the image people have of the Dems and their actually policies and behaviour are vastly different. The Dems are a right to far right party by any normal countries standard. They just managed to gaslight the american people into accepting them as the "lesser" of two evils and believe that to be the best they can ever hope for. Meanwhile the "lesser" evil grows bigger and bigger at every election.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The person who came closest to winning as a third party was a racist former VP running on a campaign of upholding slavery despite any ruling SCOTUS made. Look it up. No alternate candidate has any hope of winning.

I bet it is easier to get to leftism under an administration like Biden, dead wrong but "students have a right to protest," vs. any Repub, dead wrong and also "send in the National Guard to get these students" or "nuke Gaza."

Also the Repubs did an insurrection and want to stop votes from counting ever again.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Dems are a right to far right party by any normal countries standard.

Except on social issues, but who cares about those? And they used to be left of European parties when it came to immigration, but they've recently moved closer to the xenophobic European position. Oh and they're very clearly left of Labour now too.

By the way, would you like to clarify what you mean by "normal countries"? I'm assuming here that you meant European, since that's generally what people mean, but it's pretty fucked up to say that normal = European, don't you think?

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Normal countries include all democracies around the world. You will find social democrats, greens, socialists and sometimes even communists there next to conservatives, neoliberals and fascists. The Dems are neoliberals/conservatives with some LGBT rights sprinkled in, but their social policies are deeply antisocial and often racist. Their immigration policies are fascist with running internment camps and building border walls. Their economic stance is fuck the poor, but only so much that there is still some white middle class left and their foreign policy is murder everything that is not aligned with their economic and power interests, as we see with the current genocide.

All of this is right to far right by normal standards, except the gay rights, but even deeply catholic Ireland managed to get same sex marriage before the US.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Democrats love unions so much, it’s why the US has such strong union support compared to the developed world.

Everywhere else has a right wing who would like to weaken unionism, yet they haven’t killed it off because it’s strongly supported by real centrist and leftist parties. America is bipartisan in its attacks on unionism and fellating of capitalism, because it is a country with two right wing parties.