Weren't there satellite pictures of their facilities and prisons, and videos of their schools where they were trying to eliminate their old culture? There were images all over the Jon Oliver episode on the Uyghur genocide, including video. You think they were all fake?

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I believe China acknowledges the facilities exist, they would dispute that they are torture camps though. I'm of two minds, on the one hand I can easily imagine a government committing human rights abuses in response to a security threat. I think it's good to be skeptical of the state narrative that they're nice vocational training facilities. There's a decent chance things are happening that I would find unacceptable, I think that's fair.

On the other hand I see how our government and media are treating the Palestine conflict. I remember WMD, and the babies that were supposedly unplugged from the incubators in Kuwait. I've read about the Gulf of Tonkin. I know what we did to Mossadegh, and how we spun that coup against democracy as liberation.

I'm deeply skeptical of US and 'western' narratives of people that threaten their order. And yes I do believe a lot of things can be faked, especially things happening in a language almost no Americans speak or read and have to trust the interpretation of events being given to them by actors with a stake in the outcome.

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I can easily imagine a government committing human rights abuses in response to a security threat.

From what I remember, this was basically the conclusion of a UN report on the subject.

That China was engaging in this broadly successful de-radicalization campaign, that there was evidence of human rights abuses in certain areas of that program, but that they didn't amount to genocide. In fact, I don't think the report ever mentioned the word genocide.

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