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Recent assaults spark national debate over Germany’s increasingly raw political climate, with some seeing echoes of its dark history.

One politician ruthlessly beaten while hanging campaign posters. Another assaulted in a public library. Yet another, pushed and spat on by suspects who were part of a group of people allegedly calling out “Heil Hitler.”

A string of violent attacks on politicians in Germany — including a brutal assault on a member of the European Parliament in Dresden — has shaken many and sparked a national debate over the increasingly raw political climate in the country, with some drawing comparisons to the kind of political violence that accompanied the rise of the Nazis.

Recent attacks on politicians are “reminiscent of the darkest chapter in German history,” said Hendrik Wüst, the conservative premier of North Rhine-Westphalia, in an interview on German public television.

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, you think some political assassinations are justified, or do you think the article does not have any political assassinations in it? It's one of the two.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do. Staufenberg's attempt to assassinate Hitler for example. Nazis killing Nazis is just a win win situation for everyone else. But I can see how Nazi sympathizers struggle to understand this.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess we disagree then.

I can make an exception for Hitler during WW2, but outside of that, people should not be simply killing the people they disagree with. That's how you get Putin's Russia.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calling Nazis "people you disagree with" is already enough of a dogwhistle that tells us exactly what kind of person you are. And yes, if some mobster in Russia wants to eff Putin, he should go for it.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can try to say I'm whatever you want, I don't really care. What I'm more concerned about is living in a country with democratic values.

Perhaps it's being an American, where we have various freedoms, but disagreements should be handled with words and debate. If you cannot beat someone with your words, you don't deserve to win.

Regarding Putin, unfortunately, that would probably not make anything better. Just more chaos, and the war would continue. There's plenty more Putins behind him, and whoever offs him is probably not a nice guy.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I'm more concerned about is living in a country with democratic values.

Yes, very interesting choice of words.

Perhaps it's being an American

Oh boy, and I'm out. Murica!

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bye. Try not to assassinate people just because you disagree with them and want their power.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unlike you I'm not a Nazi, but I will very much make use of my constitutional right to fight Nazis.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fine and dandy. Though simply killing them because you don't like them makes you just like them. That's why we hate them after all, they just killed too many people.

Better to use words to convince.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop preaching this false narrative of "just because you don't like them". There's reasons why we don't like Nazis. I as a German know this very much better than you uneducated Muricans who think listening to far right pundits is part of some sort of balancing act for their enlightened centrism.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not about liking them or not liking them. It's about killing people without a trial, without fairness, during a time of peace. It does not matter who they are.

The law should apply to all people the same.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're not at peace, evident by Nazis attacking us and attempting to overthrow our governments.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, this is no war, that's a childish take. Go to Ukraine or Gaza or South Sudan if you want to know war. This is still peacetime, and the law should apply to all people the same. Even Nazis. We have prisons for people that break the law, and we can vote to change our leaders and laws.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both Ukraine and WW2 started like this. Propaganda, thugs, disinformation, violence against democratic institutions by antidemocratic forces. Stop this naivety, especially since you're from the US and about to re-elect a fascist while Nazis march through your streets and government buildings.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think simply going out and killing them would be the best way to solve the problem? What would stop them from killing us back? There's more than just a couple of them.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you need to stop fantasizing those scenarios up.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know, I'm the one arguing for the law applying to everyone, and using the democratic and legal processes. Not very fantastical at all.