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Okay, sure. I read a good bit of it. From p. 159:
"Since Hamas’ rule over the Gaza Strip is not legitimised by the UN, and since Hamas is not recognised by the international community as the political representative of the Palestinian people, its diplomatic activities are usually carried out by third party states and pro-Palestinian organisations. These entities will often present 'proof' of alleged war crimes to attack Israel in the international arena.
"The most prominent example of this is the Goldstone Report. This report sheds light on the diplomatic context of the practice of human shields: about 1,400 Gazans and 13 Israelis were killed in the Gaza War. A UN fact-finding mission headed by Judge Richard Goldstone was established in April 2009 following the war, and published its 574-page report in September 2009. The report called for both parties, Hamas and Israel, to investigate their own actions and accused both of deliberately targeting civilians. However, before expanding its mandate to investigate both parties’ actions, the preliminary purpose of the commission was to investigate only Israel’s alleged war crimes against Palestinians.
"The final report criticised Israel harshly for attacking civilians and civilian facilities. It disputed Israel’s claim that the Gaza War was initiated as a response to rockets fired from the Gaza Strip, claiming that, at least in part, the war was targeted against the 'people of Gaza as a whole.'
"The report also stated that there was evidence that Palestinian armed groups committed war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity by deliberately launching rockets and firing mortars into Israel, calculated to intentionally kill civilians and damage civilian structures. The report accused Palestinian armed groups of causing psychological trauma to the civilians within the range of the rockets. It also concluded that killings and abuses of members of the Fatah political movement amounted to a 'serious violation of human rights.' However, the mission found no evidence of Palestinian armed groups placing civilians in areas where attacks were being launched, or engaging in combat in civilian dress, or using a mosque for military purposes or to shield military activities. This statement contrasted with both Israeli and international media reports that Hamas fighters wore civilian clothes and concealed their weapons.
"Despite placing the blame on both sides, the mission de facto rejected Israel’s claims that the IDF had only attacked Hamas’ targets, and that civilian casualties were caused mainly due to Hamas’ use of civilians as human shields. This was a severe diplomatic blow to Israel. In fact, the international community barely distinguished between the activities of a terror organisation and those a sovereign state. The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights endorsed the report and supported the call for Israel and Hamas to investigate and prosecute those who committed war crimes. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon urged “credible” investigations by both sides into the conduct of the Gaza conflict 'without delay.' The European Parliament passed a resolution endorsing the Goldstone Report in March 2010. The resolution called on the bloc’s member states to 'publicly demand the implementation of [the report’s] recommendations and accountability for all violations of international law, including alleged war crimes.' These declarations, as well as others, demonstrate Hamas’ triumph in controlling the narrative. Hamas’ ability to control the narrative limits Israel’s strategic choices."
I had some commentary on this, but changed my mind and deleted it. I think it pretty much speaks for itself.
I had a feeling you wouldn't at all like that comparison.
I also had a feeling you wouldn't want to respond in detail to the other stuff I was saying, or answer questions... because what can you say?
All good. Have a good one.
Once you call em out on their BS they ghost. Good debate my friend.
Why should I continue debating anyone who glorifies terrorists? What's the point? But sure, applaud them for this nonsense.
I said:
And so on.
I do understand that UN reports and videos of dying children and straight questions which you have no real good way to answer are sorta difficult to argue against, which creates a certain pressure to pretend that I'm saying something which is the exact opposite of what I'm actually saying.
For your future attempts to falsely reframe the discussion and cancel out reasonable questions without admitting defeat, may I suggest:
All tried and true alternatives to "How dare you say that thing you said, I refuse to talk any further, I'm offended now" (which is of course itself an old staple, and with good reason).