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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I don’t want the Soviet Union. I want workers co-ops to be the default form of employment followed by government employees

So you don't want a Soviet Union. You just want a... an elected local, district, or national council of workers to control the economy... but, like, a bunch of them in a kind of amalgamated political body?

with an understanding that over time the unions will buy out the private owners of their shares.

Damn. Nobody tell this guy about Lenin's NEP.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yes, I want what the Soviet Union claimed they wanted not what they got. You know, like any syndicalist worth her salt.

I’m not claiming that communism is bad, I’m saying that over centralization in the hands of a single party has done more harm to communism than MLs would like to believe.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

one could argue that the Russian revolution failed after they beat back the white army when the Bolsheviks killed all the communists, because killing communists is all the USSR ever really did, except the one time it killed communists by grinding Nazis into a fine icy paste with them, which admittedly was pretty cool.

one could also argue that theres math about centralization that shows you necessarily get worse information to a central source, even with 0 inefficiency, because physical limits and compression and junk, and that a highly centralized body literally cannot make good decisions on purpose at that kind of scale. but then the tankies would stop cuddling their body pillows long enough to threaten to kill you.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

If you could provide a non-crackpot reference to said math, I would be much obliged.

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