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[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Older I got more that stereotype showed a cultural hatred of independent women.

Yep, it's a method of cultural oppression and extremely effective. This is why I say the way to change the world is through cultural change, not fiat by state or revolution. We change the world by rejecting their culture and making our own.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That seems like a very idealist understanding of culture; do you think misogyny is the result of bad people with bad ideas doing bad things, as opposed to the result of material conditions?

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

do you think misogyny is the result of bad people with bad ideas doing bad things, as opposed to the result of material conditions?

Where do you think those material conditions that promote things like misogyny come from? (No, it's not human nature, a species where the men hate the women is not going to succeed evolutionarily without rape being the primary method of reproduction) Not every specific act of misogyny is bad people, but misogyny is common because of the world misogynists/racists/dominators made that influences all of us.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Where do you think those material conditions that promote things like misogyny come from?

The relationship with the means of production; in cultures where men inherit property, you get misogyny.

In the societies that didn't have property or male inheritance, you see much more equitable cultures.

No, it’s not human nature

Yeah no, I'm not one of those. I'm just strongly of the belief that culture molds itself around the mode of production, as opposed to individual people and ideas.

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I’m just strongly of the belief that culture molds itself around the mode of production,

But it's a cycle, not an arrow. The modes of production are build by the culture which is influenced by the mop and around it goes. Those with some of the most ambition to affect this cycle tend to be the misogynist type and so culture tends toward misogynist.

Part of why is probably because women tended to get stuck caring for young ones (whether they wanted to or not) while men went out and changed culture and built the mop.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cultural change is much easier when you have a state or a revolution behind you.

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not the kind of cultural change we need though. A peaceful sustainable world full of free peoples will never come from coercion.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cuba's doing pretty well. I couldn't imagine how they'd have gotten to where they are now if they didn't have their revolution.

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That was also 60 years ago, the world has changed. What happened in Cuba would not be possible today in a place like the U.S.

You might notice that Cuba is, well, they're not actually doing very well. Not their fault mind you, it's the fault of the U.S. keeping the boot on their neck. Successful violent revolution cannot happen in the U.S. and if it happens anywhere else the U.S will put a prompt end to it.

If you want to make the world a better place, look for realistic solutions.