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[–] I_hate_you_welcome@feddit.nl 14 points 2 years ago (14 children)

So you tankies agree that Tiananmen Square massacre happened? Good job

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (7 children)
[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

What do you think happened exactly?

[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

https://www.liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt-2/

Edit: the other source I was looking for

https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

The thing to get is that there was no massacre on the square, and in fact there's no verifiable evidence that anybody died there at all that day. Many people did die elsewhere, in street clashes with soldiers, after demonstrators killed and burned a few of them.

I would like to note also that bringing up events like Tiananmen Square, especially heavily propagandized and warped versions of them, without an understanding of the complex political context which led up to them, is not a gotcha, it's just ignorant. Not saying you're doing that or that you would do that, but it's something others do frequently when they invoke it round here.

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

With no actual evidence, it just seems like China's word against the US's. Neither are sources I trust, and both have motives to lie. I'm just going to assume nothing.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

I don't trust anyone, so i will believe the US

[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Can you possibly explain why the western diplomats stationed there told their home countries nothing happened in diplomatic cables?

Why would they do that if it was real?

[–] Balefirex@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

US Military Pysops Division literally bragged about how successful they were with Tiananmen in this recruitment video

https://youtu.be/VA4e0NqyYMw

Edit: Found out about this video from this article which was linked on hexbear lol https://www.fridayeveryday.com/how-psy-ops-warriors-fooled-me-about-tiananmen-square-a-warning/

[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Ah, I remember that. Almost feels like the cocky bastards are mocking us at this point.

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