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Shouldn't have said anything, now I'm getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible sad-boi

Also while apparently it can't be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn't lose, we should not worry because they haven't seen that much electoral success

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[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I love how nobody considers any alternatives to supporting one of the sides in the war - either supporting Ukraine because something something democracy, human rights and Putler or support Russia because multipolarity, denazification and NATO expansion.

I only know of one such initiative - the split of the group "Communist Organisation" from Germany which aligned with the Greek Communist Party created a campaign to give financial support for various communist groups in Ukraine and Russia they had contacts with. It was cautious and didn't really go anywhere.

But at least it existed. Why support either side beyond acting like a foreign minister in the 1970s? Where's the proletarian internationalism?

It'd be more productive than the dead end we're in, at the mercy of whatever which state does or doesn't.

[–] thetaT@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Remember - Lenin never supported any side in WW1. In fact, he hoped for an enemy victory, as that would create the conditions for a revolution.

Picking sides in an inter-imperialist war is anti-Lenin.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Enemy victory for western leftists would be russian victory, non?

[–] thetaT@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A stalemate where Russia gets the eastern parts of Ukraine would be a move towards creating the necessary revolutionary conditions in both Ukraine and the rest of the West

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