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[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (34 children)

Socialist Party of America, Socialist Alternative, The Communist Party of the USA, and plenty others have been trying to run left of the Democratic Party for a century, it won't work in a FPTP voting system, converting the Democrats into a Socialist party would literally be easier.

If you want a left wing party other than the Dems, you're gonna have to change FPTP first.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

converting the Democrats into a Socialist party would literally be easier.

They're a private organization...

They'll keep doing whatever they want without changing as long as people keep voting for him.

The only thing the DNC has that a different private party wouldn't is momentum.

If they just gonna keep following the rnc, we have no choice but acknowledging we were abandoned long ago already

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The Democratic Party and the DNC and all the affiliates are nothing more than tools for whatever vaguely left of american center interest group wants to use them.

There's no massive conspiracy to keep the Democrats Neoliberal, and if there is anything even similar to that, it's happening behind closed doors in Wall Street, not Washington.

They'll keep doing whatever they want without changing as long as people keep voting for him.

How long have you been involved in politics? I dont mean for that to sound demeaning. We've gone from Neoliberal democrats and Clinton gutting social welfare in the 90s to Socialists being integrated into the broader coalition, both parties have changed and will continue to change immensely over time. Ignoring that because you're upset about Bernie losing the primary in 2016 and 2020 and disconnecting completely from the party is just a ticket to irrelevance, and I say that as someone who worked on some of Bernie's first barnstorm events and both presidential campaigns.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I love how democrats just throw out the word “conspiracy” whenever they’re trying to make rational ideas sound crazy.

There is no “conspiracy” to keep the dnc neoliberal. They do it right out in the fucking open and they couldn’t be more clear about it.

The current Dem leader in the house is an actual public school buster with direct ties to private school corporations yet we still have blatant shills like you trying to gaslight us into believing that the democrats aren’t intentionally pro-corporate neoliberals. That’s fucking hilarious.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

There is no “conspiracy” to keep the dnc neoliberal. They do it right out in the fucking open and they couldn’t be more clear about it.

That would still be a conspiracy, I never said it was a conspiracy theory. But if having Caucus leadership of a certain ideology makes the entire party that ideology, let's look at the largest democratic caucus and who leads it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus

Well look at that, it's the largest caucus of the Democratic Party and its literally lead by a socialist. The entire democratic party must be socialist /s.

We are definitely trying to fight with capitalists over who "owns" the party right now, but walking away from the fight now and trying the same thing the CPUSA and SPA have been trying for a century would be stupid.

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