And the Hawaii stuff has exactly what to do with China? Oh wait, it doesn't. The US being "nice" isn't even part of this discussion. And really, neither the PRC or ROC have any leg to stand on when it comes to accusations of atrocities.

As far as the rest, none of that matters. Does the PRC control Taiwain now? No, no it doesn't. Has the PRC controlled Taiwan for all these decades it's played this game of pretend? No, no, it hasn't. Until the PRC has actual control over Taiwan, its claims of ownership are meaningless.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (24 children)

My point was that China should start actively supporting independence in Hawaii, start doing freedom of navigation drills around there, fund political parties in Hawaii that promote independence, and fly native Hawaiian politicians to China for training.

And you can keep doing whatever mental gymnastics you like, but the reality is that that Taiwan is internationally recognized as being a part of China, and if China decided that it wanted to end the farce by force it could do that any time it likes. That's the real world that you should try engaging with.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If the people of Hawai'i had a completely different form of government and separate foreign relations and the public popularly supported independence, why would they not be allowed that? None of those are true though. Independence is not popular in Hawai'i. The Native population would like more autonomy and recognition which they should get but that is a fast cry from wanting independence.

[–] spauldo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Well, to be fair, they wouldn't be allowed that. We had a bit of a war about that sort of thing, and the supreme court maintains that a state has no right to leave the union. But you're exactly right that independence isn't popular in Hawaii.

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