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Sorry to be that guy, but this picture gives us no evidence that the advantage of these people is biological and not the result of other factors such as culture or environment.
Maybe a small advantage, but they also have a culture of training specifically for long distance running. That's almost all of it. The size of your ankles doesn't matter if you don't practice.
There are better ultra marathon runners in Mexico who look nothing like these Kenyans. They barely warm up with a marathon, so they don't place highly. They are good because their culture involves running ultra marathons. They will keep running for fun long after everyone else has died.
Training is what matters. If you went and joined a running club in Kenya, you would be able to beat any Kenyan who didn't practice. It's 99% practice.
Ultra marathons are an entirely different sport from the 10k, and even marathons. Obviously training matters, but we also don't have to pretend all humans are identical and only training and grit separate them.
My point is, you are putting too much emphasis on genetic gifts. Take a sport like basketball, where being tall is clearly an advantage. It's a much bigger advantage than "small calves" are in running. You basically can't play in the NBA at all unless you're 6ft or taller.
Even among people 6ft 9 and up, you really have to practice with a good teacher. Someone who's a foot shorter will easily beat you if they are good.
Running isn't just "moving your legs". There's strategy that these guys learn from their running group at a young age. They practice running as a sport. That's why they're good.
It's the same reason why people from the US, who are all genetically different, play basketball and baseball better than most other countries. They practice it competitively when they're young.
What
There are tall asians, but there are no testosterone flooded women.
On an unrelated note, can i turn off reply notifications to posts ?
Do you really think that cis women can't have naturally high testosterone levels? And especially not higher than trans women, who literally have their testosterone levels controlled by medications?
Learn to behave.
And as naturally high as men ? Probably not. (Hence the "floded")
Remember Caster Semenya?
Yes the famously Asian country of Kenya.
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Got a problem with examples ? Ok, i'l dumb myself down for you.
There are really short Kenyans.
Did i said something that hurt you so much that you want me to delete my acc ?
Have there even been studies which can back up this claim¿? Hell have there even been studies which even measure how much of an advantage having smaller calves and ankles gives¿?
Nope: https://www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf
Did you mean 'yes'. Because the article you share concludes that trans women have no advantage which is greater than other biological advantages
Noit doesn't. You are misrepresenting it, or misuing the word 'concludes'. It never says anything like "we conclude' that there is no advantage". The actual conclusion is on p40-41 and can more honestly be phrased as "we cannot conclude that there's a definite advantage. Strength is a possible exception, but how do we even know strength is relevant to sport?" ("Additional biomarkers (such as handgrip strength, hip angle, bone density) have been used uncritically in positivist biological studies to demonstrate cis men’s purported biological advantages over cis women, but there is not sufficient evidence these measures are salient to the question of trans women’s participation.")
They're resorting to saying "trans women are stronger than their competitors, but how do we even know that being stronger is advantageous in sport???"
You need to work on your reading comprehension. XD
Do you think that an advantage in terms of strength translates to any performance advantage?
I think that "maybe" having an advantage in terms of strength is an admission that the research is incomplete.
The document is full of admissions that the research is incomplete.
Hence, my comment to Sentau's question about the research.
I think we should add biological in front of male and female just to remove any confusion...
That's what AMAB (assigned male at birth) and AFAB (assigned female at birth) are for.
So now we now have to add A M/F AB (sport here) just to appease y'all?
You're the one who suggested adding terms. And who are "y'all"?
Sorry I forgot the /s
Anyone who thinks a male who "transitioned" well after puberty and then competes with females.
It is just a silly notion. Find me a female that transitioned and broken a single record.
These people are just trying to play on easy mode to feel better about themselves at others expense and it's beyond pathetic.