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[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 116 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Fucking hell. PAY PEOPLE MORE you cheap shits.

[–] redfox 31 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I didn't see pay listed in the article.

How else do we explain worker shortage? Where did all the people go? Rapture?

On the other side, what better way for a social worker to see real issues and people while studying?

It has to pay well enough for students to be willing to distract from studying.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

If the situation in Germany is anything like the Netherlands, it legit is just a shortage of workers outright.

There are more job vacancies than people to fill those vacancies, so you end up with a shortage of workers.
Making tram driving more attractive by paying them more would draw employees away from other industries, who also need people to do the work.

Not saying tram drivers shouldn't be paid more, but if the situation in this German city is anything like what we are dealing with here in the NL, then paying people more is not going to solve the issue. Only solution is to either decrease the number of open positions (which usually only happens in a recession, which is not great), or to increase the number of people who can do the work (for example through immigration)


Edit: A possible solution specifically in the case of trams could be automation (self-driving trams), which would relax the overall demand for workers.
There are already transportation system without drivers that have been operating since the 80s (e.g. the London DLR)

It's probably a bit more tricky in mixed traffic, but since trams are on predictable rails it would be easier than automating cars.

[–] Turun@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For what it's worth 2 out of 3 subway lines are already fully automated. They started in 2008.

Trams have the same issues as self driving cars though: you need to 100% reliably detect people in front of the carriage. And you can easily find tests with Teslas which just run over a child sized doll because they didn't detect it properly. The tech is just not there yet.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with you entirely that automated trams are more difficult than automated metro systems. However I do think that trams are a most likely a more easily solvable problem than automated cars.

  • Trams are restricted to their track, so the number of unique situations in which they can end up is more limited.
    Because of this you can model the environment in more detail.
  • Trams are large, heavy and commercial vehicles. So you can justify shelling out for more detailed sensors such as lidar etc, whereas on a Tesla you have to make due with merely a camera sensor.
  • You could potentially hire a dedicated person in a central location whose job it is to remotely get trams out of tricky situations.
    This would not remove the need for drivers outright, but could reduce the number of drivers you need per tram.

That is not to say automated trams are easy, or already viable. I'm just saying that they are likely more viable than automated cars will be in the nearby future.

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