Wondering about this. Like "putin schill" gets thrown around so lightly, and what's being said is "you're not even wrong, you're just a brainwashed puppet making puppet noises at the behest of your sinister masters".

Like the libs don't even see it as an argument, it's just evil magic orc speech or something. Whatever we're saying is wrong because putin is making us say it, somehow

Thinking about how it ties in to ignorance or denial of various atrocities. Like " hey, Joe did this horrible thing" and getting back "no he didn't, and that didn't happen, and if it did you only think it's bad because putin mind controlled you" kind of thing.

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Thinking that being misinformed is the cause of disagreement between themselves and others is part of the liberal idealistic worldview. It goes in the other direction too; you can see it in the liberal belief that chuds don't take covid seriously simply because of a lack of scientific knowledge, when it's clear they only stopped giving a shit when research came out that covid disproportionately affected minorities and retail/service/ag workers. They just can't imagine a world where people hold different positions due to a difference in material interests.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that tracks. I get huge amounts of pushback and denial when i try to tell people that fascists do fascist stuff because they have fundamentally different goals and desires compared to libs. But tell libs that the fash aren't stupid or ignorant but rather have a different world view and desires and goals, and i get a lot of hate from the libs.