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Generally the ATF cannot be brought up without a conservative making a joke about them killing dogs which is in reference to the Ruby Ridge standoff where they entrapped neo Nazi Randy Weaver into selling sawed off shotguns. He missed his court date and when they went to arrest him, US marshals came across his son, the son's friend, and his dog while in the woods. The marshals claim the dog was coming toward them to attack them and shot it. After the friend shot and killed a marshal, the son ran away up the hill and the remaining marshal shot him in the back and killed him.
So the joke does not even make sense since it was the US Marshals who killed the dog and started the standoff.
Conservatives also tend to go on and on about how if victims of law enforcement violence would have just complied, they would be fine. They don't recognize their cognitive dissonance with Ruby Ridge though since had Randy simply complied and made his court date, the stand off would not have happened.
This is not to defend the actions of the ATF, the US marshals, or the FBI, BTW. The ATF did a terrible operation. The US Marshals escalated it when it did not need to be escalated, and the FBI shot Randy a second time when he was retreating but the bullet also killed his wife who was holding their 10 month old.
I don't think it's that deep in that particular, the ATF just likes shooting dogs, like all cops.
From the people I asked, they specifically references Ruby Ridge. I probably have asked a good dozen people whenever I have heard the reference.
Odd that they seem to sympathize about the dog being shot but not the wife or son.
Don't know who you're asking but it's from police and feds shooting dogs all the time. There are tons of videos online of cops just popping dogs for no fucking reason.
Generally it was conservatives and/or gun nuts on reddit. Not one of them mentioned law enforcement overall and would downvote me when I mentioned police shoot a fuckton of dogs. Conservatives joke about the ATF specifically doing that.
That's odd cause I'm on the gun subs on Reddit and minus the few FUDD dipshits who love daddy turnip and thin blue dicks, most of them are pretty "fuck the police" and "fedbois can suck it" types.
I think most of them would fall under the FUDD category.
They conducted a sting, there's a lot wrong with how it was handled but he never denied making unlawful weapons and to add to that he was convicted of doing it prior to ruby ridge.
Let's not whitewash either side of this fence please.
Check out * Long Shadow - Season 2: Rise of the American Far Right*
Pretty disturbing how clear the line is from the past to now.
fucksake. 😶
Wait wasn't his name Randy Quade or somethin