they keep talking as though we fundamentally want the same things but have different views on how to achieve it. no, i want the amerikkkan state and its allies wiped from the face of the earth and every one of its politicians, media cheerleaders, military brass, etc shot, even the ones who are ok with me being trans! i don't want a "lesser evil". i want the people to assert themselves on the world historical stage and drag you and everyone like you from your comfortable homes. you are the modern incarnation of the Nazis, you are actively carrying out the worst atrocity i have seen in my life, and yet you think you can convince me to do anything for you, let alone not actively work for your overthrow and execution???

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[+] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

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[–] Ideology@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Communists didn't steal africans from their homes and ship them across the ocean.
Communists didn't organize the white working class to go to war against slave rebellions.
Communists didn't set the Americas on fire and put Native Americans in concentration camps from Nunavut to Tierra del Fuego.
Communists didn't build railroads in Central America to extract resources from the impoverished, turning them into fruit pickers for American wealth.
Communists didn't intentionally overextract from colonial India, causing millions to die from famine.
Communists didn't draw the maps that turned west asia into a tinderbox of constant warfare.
Communists didn't make the world dependent on the petrodollar and accelerate climate change.
Communists didn't drop 7.6 million tons of bombs on Vietnam.
Communists didn't train Suharto on the art of dictatorship at a military base in Kansas.
Communists didn't take away Chile's right to self determination and sell its factories to American owners.
Communists didn't obliterate North Korea until one of the most christian nations in the world didn't have a single church standing.
Communists didn't hollow out Iraq for oil.
Communists didn't sell that factory and move it to Bangladesh because the workers unionized.
Communists don't run Blackrock.
Communists are not landlords.
Communists aren't on the board that owns your job.

Liberalism existed when all these things happened and what did it do besides feebly step aside for big business interests? At some point you have to realize the ideology is genocide all the way to its core. Liberalism IS Capitalism.

If you fear that communists are coming for you, then you need to ask yourself if your wages are worth it to sell the rest of humanity to the machine. The clock is ticking and climate change is not patient anymore.

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communists didn't obliterate North Korea until one of the most christian nations in the world didn't have a single church standing.

Wait, really? There were that many Christians in the DPRK before the US led genocide? I know the United States intentionally killed 20% of the population and bombed the second most industrialized country in East Asia until there were no buildings taller than one level; but I didn't realize missionaries were that successful.

Good post BTW halal

[–] Ideology@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Kim Il-Sung himself grew up Presbyterian and dedicated a rebuilt church to his mother after the war. Christianity in Japanese-occupied Korea was actually organized against the empire and was known for sprouting anti-authoritarian movements.

Christian news sources claim there were 3000 churches in North Korea before 1945-1953 (the end dates conveniently change depending on who you ask, but they overlap with wars which tend to be accompanied by human migrations). Pyongyang was supposedly called the "Jerusalem of the East" by contemporaries. All sources agree that after the Korean War there were no churches in the North.

Kim Il-Sung ordered some to be rebuilt, but churches with overt American influence were not allowed to take root. His personal statement on the fall of Christianity in the North was that the people couldn't bear seeing the atrocities committed by fellow Christians. I think it's something in the middle where American missionaries had an incentive to route their flocks to the south to support their fellow Americans, and the believers themselves were simply escaping the egregious American bombing campaigns. The rest is embellishment.

Despite people saying you can't be Christian in North Korea, there are pictures of the churches online. You can go to them. There's a seminary even. So it calls into question the idea of state repression in its entirety because you can refute it with the simple facts in front of your face.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It genuinely kinda sucks how you drive-by libs never ever reply. You're not even getting the PPB treatment, and yet you still can't even be bothered responding to one of the many good-faith replies you get. And then libs yell about how hexbear bad.

EDIT: when a lib replies and it's "I don't think nazis should have been executed" bear-despair

[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I try to reply when I get around to it, but I just can't afford to spend a lot more than half an hour per day on lemmy.

Also, I have been banned from lemmygrad/hexbear communities before for "debate me, debate me"-behaviour, so I'm not sure you are as interested in my opinion as you claim.

Moreover, mods on here tend to delete replies they don't like, so I don't really feel like putting too much time into my replies if they just end up getting removed. At the same time I don't want to give half-assed responses either, so I often end up not responding at all.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

And they only ever reply to be insufferably smug. You are near enough the lib this thread is griping about.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

mm yes, i too like to deliberately swap the victims and the perpetrators. me smart.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmmmm it's almost like the consequential factor lies in the differences bewteen liberals and communists

I wonder what those crucial differences are thinkin-lenin

If you replace "Nazi" with "liberals", you get the question that most of us non-liberals ask ourselves.

You call Nazis bloodthirsty, then go on how you want Nazi Germany and all its allies wiped from the face of the earth, and execute anyone you consider a Nazi

If someone came up to you and spit this nonsense at you, would you take it seriously?

[–] axont@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Liberals don't want to execute Nazis, they want Nazis to register for elections then get 49% of the vote. Somehow this is a better outcome.

[–] Afterthought_C@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gamergators: religious fundies and feminists are just as bad because they both want to take away my video game treats

Hexbear: liberals and what they label conservatives may be rhetorically different but ultimately they both protect the imperial core because they depend on it

Liberals: clearly the above two groups are exactly the same

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago