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Not to defend either, but why does the United States. It's wrong for either. But at least if a country's leadership invites them in. That's on the leadership. And while I'm still for basic gun control. Hungary, if you're listening, don't let them take all your guns. As much as the cult members in the US babble about nothing. If it ever actually happened, the outcome has never been good.
I dearly love all these down votes. LOL. By being unhypocritical and consistent, it's somehow enough to piss all of y'all off. Even though I agree that China doing this is bad. Simply because I said it's bad when the US has done it in the past as well. You all lose your shit.
Actually looking back on this now. I can kind of see how this may have stirred up so many of you. I said China was wrong for doing this. That stirred up the Marxist leninists and tankies. But also pointed out that it's wrong for America or any other country to do that. Which brought out a screeching horde of neoliberal apologists and imperials. Then I said I supported gun control. Which stirred up the hornet's nest of conservatives. But said that they should protect their access to guns to defend themselves against what's to come. Which just pissed off neoliberals again. I guess there's something mildly heartwarming about it. When you can see groups that so often hypocritically fight against each other so much. Actually be able to come together and attack the same thing/person. Because their shared hypocrisy was exposed.
This a great example of "whataboutism".
No. Whataboutism is when I say "America did it. Therefore China can." I literally said it was wrong for the US and China. It's the opposite of whataboutism. I'm not sure if everyone's reading comprehension is failing them today. But there was literally no what aboutism involved.
The only thing remotely possibly controversial somehow? Was the fact that I said that they had been invited by the leadership of Hungary and therefore pushed the blame to hungary's leadership? I'm not sure how that's controversial. It's a simple fact. They invited China in. But then pretty much all of you down voting are doing it reactionarily and emotionally. Based on things other than what was said.
Here's The literal first two sentences I wrote. Please point out that whataboutism in it
From the definition of whataboutism linked above, my italics:
You are doing exactly that.
If I defended China it would have been. But I didn't. What aboutism is a rhetorical tactic to belittle the offenses of one group by pointing out similar enough offenses of another. Fuck China fuck the United States. The United States having done it doesn't make China doing it any better. Or vice versa. I literally said that in the first couple of sentences.
Simple comparison isn't whataboutism. Just like your disingenuous attacks are not good faith effort to debate.
Just to add onto that, whatabautism is not only used to make any bad thing seem better by comparing it to something worse, but it's also used to distract from the main point.
People are probably not downvoting you because you don't have a point, but there's no reason to bring this up here. Make another post criticising Rammstein (the military base) and we can express our disgust with US agencies in foreign countries as well. Easy as that.
Just to add on to that. I wasn't implying that either was better by comparison. I said it's bad regardless of who does it. Which was the point of the article. Other countries like China policing foreign countries is not a good thing. Condemning China for it while not also pointing out other nations. Especially more prolific ones and condemning them consistently with it is just hypocritical.
But I know how the circle jerk can be. And I know you all won't be stopped. With your disingenuous assertions and false claims. I'm apologize for trying to be thorough and accurate lol.
Accusing the critical statement about country A of hypocrisy because what about critical statement about country B is textbook whataboutism. Your "yea, but country B is as bad as country A because .." is exactly that.
You don't need to imply that country A is better than country B or vice versa, because the point of whataboutism is to relativise the criticism by pointing to another. This article is about China and their actions, your contribution to the discussion was to immediately steer it to "the Americans" - why's that?