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I'm also honestly confused as to why anyone would be pro-Russian
So basically NATO has been expanding its way eastward since its foundation (despite promises not to) and has now butted up against Russia. Russia wants Ukraine to not join, but the US disagrees so here we are.
Btw this war doesn't have much to do with Putin or Zelensky, really. Replace the head of state for either country and you'd still end up with the same conflict. And people have been writing about this for decades now, Brzezinski in particular basically plotted out the US policies that led us here.
How do you justify invading a sovereign nation?
TL;DR because they got couped and are having a civil war right next to your border, are ignoring political attempts to resolve their issues, and want to join a military alliance that is an extreme threat to your national security
Ukraine has been in civil war since 2014 and hasn't respected either of the ceasefires that it signed onto (Minsk protocols). The fight was broadly started over whether Ukraine should align itself with Europe & America or Russia. Since then, the country has been couped by the US and has been persecuting and killing Ukrainians who support Russia and/or protest the new government.
There's also how Ukraine wants to join NATO, which would certainly mean that the US would station nukes right next to Moscow. Remember the Cuban missile crisis? This is basically the same thing but with even closer territories.
I'm not certain that Russia entering the war was the best move, but I'm also confident that US interference would never stop peacefully. I'm also certain that if it were a western country in a similar position, our media would be framing it as an intervention instead of an invasion. Keep in mind that Russia and Ukraine are separate countries in the first place because of US meddling and they've only been apart for ~30 years (many Russians have friends and family who died in the civil war prior to 2023).
So a neighboring country looking to join NATO, is suddenly a big enough threat to be reason for invasion?
How much do you know about NATO? And Russian history? 🤨
Yes.
~~No, the genocide in the donbass is~~
Edit: Yes
Id argue a neighbor starting to join Nato would absolutely justify an invasion to be honest. Nato is an absolute threat to anyone who else and must be stopped at all costs.
No need for me to justify it, NATO already did back in the 90s - Responsibility to Protect. They used this argument to invade Serbia and create Kosovo. Russia now is using this as precedent case to protect the russian speaking minority in Ukraine.
Some of us were born before 2000.
I wouldn't call Ukraine sovereign, and I wouldn't call it a nation either. Ukrainians sure, they got their own republic in the Soviet union even though they proclaimed their nationhood quite late (around the time of WW2), but Ukraine today is more than half Russian speakers.
I feel the same way about people who could possibly be pro-Ukraine.
I'm not really surprised that A LOT of people got fooled by the most intensive propaganda campaign in human history.
You're on a tankie instance. They hate everyone.
It's true I wake up in the morning and yell at the clouds. Then I yell at my neighbour. I hate everyone so much gosh I can't wait for more dead Russians -- wait no I got my script confused with Nafo
No we hate western imperialists. More than 4/5th of the world is non-western people.
And, as westerners don't see nonwesterners as human, us hating the west must seem to them as if we hated all "humans"
I also don't hate non-imperialist westerners. But in the mind of the imperialist, non-imperialist westerners don't exist.
Oh imperialists do know non-imperialists exist, they are calling them "traitors", "Putin agents", "Russian trolls", etc.
I do not hate many, however I do tend to hold great disdain for people with their heads so far up their own narcissistic asses that they utterly fail to recognize the humanity in others.
Especially glowing types like yourself, instigator.
As a Polish person I have only unrelenting hatred for Nazis. As a communist I have only unrelenting love for the proletariat and hate for the bourgeoisie.