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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

There's a lot of propaganda surrounding how badly Biden failed on his agenda (on purpose apparently, constituting a betrayal of everyone who voted for him which justifies not voting for him in the future).

The thing is, it isn't true. He took the biggest action on climate change in American history, he forgave $138 billion in student loans, he put in a bill to legalize marijuana federally (which the Republicans defeated) and pardoned anyone in federal prison for marijuana, he took massive action on the economy that was focused on the working class instead of Wall Street (to the point unemployment is the lowest it's been in 20 years even though we were still digging out from Covid when he took office). The talking-point version is, more or less, simply made up.

You're saying that because Manchin blocked the original half-trillion dollar climate bill, and we then did a second round and passed a modified climate bill which still treats the issue as a genuine priority for the first time in American history and attempts to put us on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030, that Biden "ran around" and lied and betrayed the voters of Georgia and doesn't deserve a vote. Yes? Is that what you're claiming, do I have it right?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

The thing is, it isn’t true. He took the biggest action on climate change in American history,

Did he?

America has literally never produced as much fossil fuels as we have when Biden has been president.

he forgave $138 billion in student loan

Sounds like a lot, but not even a rounding error in total student loan debt, and the system is still broken. Biden s excuse for not forgiving all, was saying it was pointless till college is cheaper. He did nothing to make college cheaper, and is throwing out crumbs.

he put in a bill to legalize marijuana federally (which the Republicans defeated)

He could order it descheduled and be done before the week is over... That's what he said he'd do, he hasn't done that. And before someone says "Biden can't control federal agencies" he just forced all agencies to do a return to office because Republicans were complaining about telework.

and pardoned anyone in federal prison for marijuana,

Since he won't deschedule, more people keep getting arrested.

he took massive action on the economy that was focused on the working class instead of Wall Street

Most of "the economy" is about the wealthiest accumulating a shit ton of wealth and record fossil fuels.production, that doesn't help the working class, we're still all fucked.

the point unemployment is the lowest it’s been in 20 year

It's actually exactly the same as the month before Biden took office...

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm

So...

None of the points you just made were true...

Most voters probably won't recognize all of it was bullshit, but they'd recognize a few and doubt everything else.

Edit:

that Biden “ran around” and lied and betrayed the voters of Georgia and doesn’t deserve a vote. Yes? Is that what you’re claiming, do I have it right?

No, I'm explaining why Biden doesn't have the support he had 4 years ago...

While we still have time for Biden's campaign team to do something.

If you plan a picnic and it rains, are you going to go yell at the weatherman who predicted it because he said it was going to happen?

He tried to warn you. And by your logic that means he not only wanted it to happen, he somehow caused it to happen...

[–] Hominine@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

not even a rounding error
He could order it descheduled
It’s actually exactly the same

What dishonest communication, none of these points dismiss the truth of what was posted.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not just that, they're literally all not true even within the weird little cherry-pick framework.

$138 billion is about 8% of total student loan debt outstanding for everyone for all years, which means yes it's far from the whole thing, but it's also not a rounding error or a small amount to just whoopsie-daisy out of the federal budget. And saying it's all Biden's fault he didn't use his magic wand to create another trillion and a half dollars to clear the balance in full, it means he doesn't care so I can't support him as a result is... well, par for the course for this type of argument I guess.

(Oh, and actually he tried to forgive around half a trillion dollars in loan debt, but the Supreme Court which it doesn't matter who nominates justices for because both sides are the same, told him no.)

And he did order it descheduled over a year ago, see the discussion below

And by "exactly the same" bro means reduced by half, see the screenshots below from bro's own source

[–] Hominine@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Oh so gratifying to read some serious consideration this morning, thanks for taking the time to share it.

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