I appreciate everyone's responses a lot. I also think it was good to remove the post because there was some reactionary stuff in the google doc I linked. I found it through one of the articles that Bad Mouse's link led to, not in any of the other comments. I only looked at the "first hand accounts" links in the doc and didn't even double check what else there was so that's my error.

I had a feeling the take would be that there are certainly big flaws, as there are in any org, with any group of people, but PSL is still one of the few vehicles for socialist agitation that there actually exists, and by joining it we can help improve it.

I'm likely going to be moving to San Francisco when I'm back in the states in case anyone has recommendations about specific orgs in the bay that are certainly good.

Also I got to say Bad Mouse's ultra turn also bummed me out a little. It seems like such a baby leftist thing to do to just shit on a socialist party from across an ocean and then refuse to elaborate.

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[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Super solidarity comrade.

It's an active organization that has a made a number of material gains for the working class, more so than other organizations in the modern imperialist core as far as I am aware. It's democratic centralism to the core, so there is solid reasoning behind the things you might disagree with.

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Respectfully, the takes I have seen from ~~Socialist Alternative~~ Socialist Workers Party regarding international issues are beyond the pale. Like “unwavering support for Israel against the capitalist regime in Tehran” level shit.

I don’t have a huge problem with Trots in theory (if they put Trotsky’s ideas on a pedestal and express distaste for Stalin, for example). But my problem is when Trots start taking positions that happen to perfectly align with the US State Dept, then we have a problem.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sauce boss?

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apologies, it was the Trot Socialist Workers Party and not the Trot Socialist Alternative. This is where I saw that take, though: https://www.ocregister.com/2024/01/20/laura-garza-us-senate-candidate-2024-primary-election-questionnaire/

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Appreciate the clarification. Would be great if you edited the original post.

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