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There are active branches of Socialist Alternative in the Bay Area.
Current organization priorities are building a viable working class party through Workers Stike Back and supporting the union drive at Amazon's KCVG airhub.
As a heads up to others this is a Trot org with the worst international takes you've ever seen
Super solidarity comrade.
It's an active organization that has a made a number of material gains for the working class, more so than other organizations in the modern imperialist core as far as I am aware. It's democratic centralism to the core, so there is solid reasoning behind the things you might disagree with.
Respectfully, the takes I have seen from ~~Socialist Alternative~~ Socialist Workers Party regarding international issues are beyond the pale. Like “unwavering support for Israel against the capitalist regime in Tehran” level shit.
I don’t have a huge problem with Trots in theory (if they put Trotsky’s ideas on a pedestal and express distaste for Stalin, for example). But my problem is when Trots start taking positions that happen to perfectly align with the US State Dept, then we have a problem.
SAlt doesn't do "unwavering support for Israel". They're more guided by a knee-jerk "neither Washington nor Moscow rise up workers" characterization of every geopolitical question.
A relevant example regarding Israel and Iran: https://www.socialistalternative.org/2024/01/31/gaza-crisis-unfolds-into-deadly-regional-war/
From that article:
"Amidst the New Cold War conflict for global domination between US and Chinese imperialism"
"Many working people correctly see the diplomatic efforts of the US-aligned Arab and Islamic capitalist dictatorships like Qatar, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, as completely ineffective in stopping Israel’s massacre of the Palestinian people. However, the militarism of the China-aligned Iranian regime and its allies do not pose a way out."
"However, the regional imperialist mullah-regime of Iran, backed by China and Russia, and its allies in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen, have shown time and again that whenever they are confronted with the threat of working people and youth fighting against their immiseration, they won’t hesitate to use bloody measures similar to what the IDF uses on Palestinians. Any wider war would only use the working class as cannon fodder for the interests of each of these imperialist blocs."
Articles like these are nearly always rambling, hitting a series of criticisms in order to distinguish SAlt itself. Everyone else does it wrong, only our bottom-up class struggle will ever solve the problem, etc etc. Material analysis is clearly not a priority and there is no real point to these articles aside from what serves the org itself. Standard stuff for Trot newspapers. It's incredibly formulaic and amounts to, ironically for self-described Marxists, attempting to confirm reality to a very particular idealism.
Those are valid criticisms, you just disagree with them.
They're quite stupid and wrong criticisms but you're also missing the point.
You can't even refer to them without using your little nickname, it's childish, petty and extremely off-putting for any point you are attempting to make.
I'm not sure what you mean by my "little nickname". Sounds like a subject change though.
Sauce boss?
Apologies, it was the Trot Socialist Workers Party and not the Trot Socialist Alternative. This is where I saw that take, though: https://www.ocregister.com/2024/01/20/laura-garza-us-senate-candidate-2024-primary-election-questionnaire/
Appreciate the clarification. Would be great if you edited the original post.