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EDIT: Even though we're dunking on a few of these people, The Toxic Leftist isn't a good account either. They describe themselves as a "rightwing leftist".

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[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Maybe I'm too optimistic but I do think if she were surrounded by a critical mass of demsocs or demsoc-appearing people she would have the confidence to do that. It isn't without historical precedent.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So she will just bend to whatever prevailing wind is blowing? That isn't something to be respected.

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well she's on the reform side of reform vs. revolution. And if you want to be viable as a reformer you're gonna have to do that to some degree. It comes with the territory. It's fine if you think it isn't worth doing.

[–] davel@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

She’s not on either side of socialism, because she’s not a socialist at all. AOC is to the right of Sanders, and Sanders isn’t a socialist, either: he’s a social safety net liberal. Neither of them are calling for the abolition of private ownership of the means of production.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

It's fine if you think it isn't worth doing.

This is exactly what Lenin said to Kautsky. /s

If she ever was a leftist she is now a sell out who deserves nothing but derision. More likely she is just a "hip" young crypto-fascist who adopted leftist rhetoric to fool the kids and the politically illiterate to vote in the hope that the evil old white men will give up power willingly.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not anything to be respected, you're right. But it's worth noting that "will bend to the prevailing wind" is different than "dyed in the wool fascist who will actively pursue the worst possible path" or even "conservative Democrat who will resist good things that are broadly popular among Democrats."

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

At least with a fascist you know where you stand. A liberal like AOC will do things just as heinous as any fascist and for the same reasons but will pretend they regret it. All non fascist members of the USA government are self interested ghouls with little to no ideological convictions. They are puppets of the fascists and do whatever gets them voted. "Conservative democrats" are just crypto-fascists.

Real vote energy. It ain't happening at the ballot box