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Ah yes the US foreign policy of "not being invaded by Russia"
Dunno, is it really US foreign policy if it's not bipartisan
Have you learnt nothing from Hitler and WW2? Appeasement doesn't work.
I agree, the USSR assumed too much good faith on the part of NATO. Millions of casualties from economic devastation later, nationalist wars are still breaking out between former soviet states, and Nazism is on the rise.
Wars "breaking out" like it isn't Russia invading everybody else lmao
It literally doesn't matter who is invading who, it wouldn't have happened without the western backed coup of soviet democracy.
There are other things to learn in history too, such as some countries, like Russia, simply lacking resources to fight wars this big. As the other commenter said, they can't get past Ukraine.
Hitler comparison is really out of place here. It's more similar to some of the wars in Africa and Latin America.
The only reason they can't get past ukraine at the moment is because of western intervention. If the west hadn't supported ukraine in they way they have lukies map would be a reality already
So?
Yeah, funny how Russia, China and friends haven't sanctioned the US and other countries. They have the full right to do that instead of continuing to appease them.
Can you explain why Russia and China haven't sanctioned the US if they are so opposed to what the US is doing?
Russia and China aren’t doing sanctions like the US is because those sanctions are illegal.
Ah yes, Russia and China, so well known for following international law to the letter.
Maybe they should stop being such goody-two-shoes then if they want to have an influence in the world.
What I'm saying is, if China and Russia truly cared about what the US is doing, they could choose to sanction the US and the West just like the West is doing to Russia right now. Like you say, China throwing their weight in would certainly have an influence.
They follow it a helluva lot more than the US does, which fabricated a whole “rules-based international order,” which is nothing but We make up the rules, and order everyone around. Mafia rule.
Because the US geopolitical goals and actions, while often reprehensible, generally speaking aren't against Swedish interests, whereas Russia is a much more direct threat to Sweden.
Why does China keep appeasing the US by not sending weapons to support Russia?
It's not appeasement if the party being "appeased" is not opposed to you to begin with.
Now you lost me, surely Hitler was being appeased by the Allies allowing him to do things they would've preferred him not to do?
Sure they would, but not as much as Russia doing the same but much closer to Sweden.
Sure then, if you want to call it that. But did it work? Were countries not invaded by the US thanks to Swedish appeasement?
Lemmygrad has an emoji for this 😆
Russia's inability to conquer any of its neighbors is irrelevant. The possibility of them even attempting is unacceptable if you share a border with Russia. Sure, maybe Putin can't hope to depose your government, but the destruction and deaths before his failure are still a horrifying reality that'll take years, possibly decades, to recover from.
As for why Sweden felt the need to join, despite not having a single meter of border with Russia, it's because Finland felt the need to join. The two countries are tightly bound and do not want to end up on the opposite sides of a war. Now they're much less likely to.
Russia can't conquer even a quarter of Ukraine, and they still invaded Ukraine. Sweden and Finland know that Russia can't conquer them, and that knowledge has made them stay neutral in the past. But Russia has just shown with Ukraine that they might try anyway just because, and it's a huge pain in the ass for Ukraine and for everybody else in Europe too. So it's only natural that Sweden and Finland would like to avoid even being tried to be conquered by Russia.
And like we can see, the Russian invasion of Ukraine also impacts France, the UK, and Canada. It's not that these countries have decided to brainlessly follow the US. They want to support other countries who are at more risk of being invaded by Russia because countries being invaded by Russia is a huge pain in the ass for everybody in the region, not just the country being invaded. So their foreign policy goals simply happen to line up with the US goals.
Lol what a braindead take, I'm sure when this is all over Ukraine will be like "oh, well looks like we didn't need to be part of NATO after all, we did just fine on our own"