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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Jesus fucking Christ.

Is this what Vietnam felt like before the Pentagon Papers? I wasn't around, but I have to imagine this is what it felt like being told to remain calm, everything is fully under control, and we're getting closer to an honorable victory with every day.

The ceasefire? The one that was promised on Monday? And that both sides said isn't coming soon? So you're saying that even though you were full of shit before, you want me to believe that a shocking massacre really helped bring the temperature down?

I want to ask how fucking stupid they think we are, but I already know the truth:

A) Completely and

B) This isn't about convincing anyone. It's about trying to keep the constantly shrinking population of Biden apologists from lighting themselves on fire too. This is desperate, desperate PR damage control.

Biden needs to crack. No more "I'm serious", no more "we hope for a ceasefire soon": Call Bibi. Tell him he's got 48 hours to take the best deal on the table, because the war is over. If he wants to fight Hamas, then from now on it's going to be a knife fight, and he can do it alone.

I don't want Trump to win. Despite the oceans of blood on Biden's hands, I still don't want Trump to win. But only Biden can save Biden.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Is this what Vietnam felt like before the Pentagon Papers

No

[–] owen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

During Viet Nam people weren't as cynical when good news about peace negotiations were announced but were in disappointment when the news was in negotiation failure.

[–] hydroxide@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because during Vietnam people got the news from the media. The middleman is cut, we know immediately if this is just talk or real action.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you think the media was friendly to the Viet Nam war, you are much mistaken

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Seriously, we don't have an anti-vietnam war culture if it weren't for the reporting being done in those days. Everyone should wish we had that kind of Journalism.

[–] hydroxide@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That isn't what I said. If you cut the middleman, you are informed nearly immediately. You can tell whether your government's actions align with their words immediately. In many instances we learned of the lies before they were even told. That's why you currently have a nation of cynics.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

The media during Vietnam are those that cast doubt on the government line. Didn't have anything to do with middlemen.

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