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[–] axont@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The average westerner believes they have a higher quality of life than the average Chinese citizen, but that's slowly changing I think. I think the propaganda is getting more tenuous and more difficult to maintain by western countries. It's becoming blatantly obvious how developed China is.

Also the USSR's threats were things like military defectors and brain drain. I haven't heard of any high profile instances of spies defecting to China or selling state secrets or whatever. If that started happening, I could maybe believe there's enough discontent among western proletariat to do something like demand concessions.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The CIA’s entire network in China was exposed a few years ago and all of their agents were executed or imprisoned. This was done by a supposed mole in the CIA. He confessed to everything, but the CIA had no evidence against him. He was convicted anyway.

Brain drain is slowly happening. After the racist investigations against Chinese/Chinese American professors in the US that found no spies, China has been offering positions at Chinese universities and some people who joined said China offered more staff members and funding for research compared to the US. But again it’s not happening on an alarming scale.

All of these things are too niche for the average American to care about, so it doesn’t have any affect on public perception of china. Yet anyway.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This was done by a supposed mole in the CIA.

You know his name?

[–] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The average westerner believes they have a higher quality of life than the average Chinese citizen, but that's slowly changing I think.

restaurants cost 2x what they did earlier in my lifetime, rent probably 3x. I remember learning about career options in highschool that essentially stopped existing less than a decade later. I'm not that old. How fast is slow suppose to be?

[–] axont@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Racism is a powerful buffer to prevent anything good happening. Westerners need to go through a lot before admitting they're worse off than non-whites

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the gardeners’ minds better off and just better are the same. To admit they’re not doing as well materially as the Chinese would require dismantling white supremacy first.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know you probably meant westerners but I want to imagine an evil group of racist gardeners stalking around

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calling them gardeners is referencing this:

After days of mounting international backlash, Josep Borrell, the European Union's outspoken foreign policy chief, has apologised for his controversial remarks in which he described Europe as an idyllic "garden" of prosperity and the rest of the world as mostly a "jungle."
"Some have misinterpreted the metaphor as 'colonial Euro-centrism'," Borrell wrote in a blog post on Tuesday evening. "I am sorry if some have felt offended."
But he did not reject the figure of speech and instead doubled down on it, arguing the term jungle is an apt illustration of the lawlessness and disorder that currently rule world politics.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh I hadn't heard this before, thank you