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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is entirely too simplistic of an answer.

Religion is part of it for some people, but on the whole, this trend is the result of multiple issues with our culture, our education, our media, and a whole host of other things big and small. All of which have been exacerbated in recent years by bad actors.

It's really satisfying to say things like "religious zealots" but the world is not that simple.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Religion is a root cause, or at the very least (on a good day) a root enabler

All religion is a borderline cult and with that you can control: Peoples sex habits, Peoples tastes, Peoples beliefs and from there you can control their very core behaviors and moral definitions (What's right and wrong)

Read up on how brainwashing happens and then read up on what most religions control and teach and you'll notice a lot of similarities to bonafide cults. The only difference is Catholicism makes you not eat meat on Fridays and wears you down through indoctrination little be little, a bonafide cults will idk throw you in a small room to starve until you believe the leader is God reborn or something.

I'm not saying the world would be united and there would be no evil, but maybe if religion was never a thing we would default to logic and reasoning instead of defaulting "to a higher being"

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

To anyone who includes the education system in the argument about why people are stupid:

Teachers in those schools are either teaching through their ignorant religious lens or have their hands tied by the religious government. They teach them math, but not to think critically.

They're taught to start their logical process with far different assumptions/givens than pure science. In what other circumstance would "because it's written in an ancient book" be understandable reasoning.

I firmly believe that without religion, all those other "complicated" problems would not be nearly so complicated.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 2 years ago

...... Bad actors who all have ties to american religious institutions.

Education slashed by religious politicians backed by religious pundits and think tanks.

Media run by religious big wigs who push puritan religious values on their channels.

Culture pushes driven by religious talking heads who repeat religious talking points about religious traditions and beliefs on all topics from science to gender to race to politics.

Its still religion, youre just pointing at both of its arms and claiming its two people.

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I work in vaccine tech (though mostly to make them cheaper or make them for things rich countries don't care about). It is absolutely religion that is the problem in the US. Show me the atheists that aren't taking MMR, TDAP, flu, hep, and covid. That's not a thing.

[–] squozenode@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Can we agree religious zealotry isn't helping?

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I agree it's oversimplified, but I don't think it's oversimplified to the point of being incorrect.

During the pandemic it was overwhelmingly the hyper-religious MAGA types that were peddling that stuff... and I just don't think that kind of misinformation ever could've (or ever will) propagated as effectively as it did without religious leaders and other ideologues abusing that sort of mindset.