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[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting... on Linux.

Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.

edit: Just to make clear because some folks aren't getting it, this is not an invitation to argue about how you feel about Linux and Linux users. I. don't. fucking. care. I don't even use Linux. Take it to someone who cares.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

As is everyone taking every possible opportunity to mention Linux. It's not like we don't know it exists, we don't need constantly reminding that it's an option.

Although it isn't an option for a vast number of reasons, but mostly because corporate IT requires systems that run only on Windows. Therefore the only solution is Windows so the fact another operating system exists is utterly irrelevant and yet somehow you guys constantly keep mentioning it. Then we constantly have to point out that lots and lots of programs don't run on Linux and then you will inhibitively start going on about Wine. It's tiring. I would love it if we could have a conversation about Microsoft without having to pretend that other operating systems are viable alternatives.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If Linux is not for you that's understandable. The thing here is that they are not having a conversation about Microsoft. They are having the pettiest, least technical possible discussion about Linux, it's devolving to pure clique shit talking.

If you want to talk about Microsoft, just talk about Microsoft.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Problem is, whenever you try taking about Microsoft, someone just has to interject and be like "yeah you should be using Linux instead"

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'd just like to interject for a moment…

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And whenever someone mentions Linux, we have to take up 75% of the thread responding to it.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

That's actually hilarious.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Then stop talking about Microsoft

/s

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[–] Alborlin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Or how about

  1. You can't easily define what apps start with startup
  2. Even when wine is installed , lot of programs won't run in wine
  3. You cannot easily find where the program is installed like you can in windows
  4. You attach a external disk but some apps won't see it mounted making it Impossible to explore in their file picker , not all but some
  5. There is almost huge lack of programs , for which there is huge possibility that a windows program exists.
  6. There is constant need to use terminal for lot of things for which you can't a program see point 4.

I keep telling Linux is still not for common home use for users who are in between power users and people only using it for browsing. This will get me downvotes here on Lemmy all the time . Linux edge lords are their own bubble.

[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago
  1. You can’t easily define what apps start with startup

For point 2, that is true and improving. Always do some research about program compatibility before completely changing your computer's OS.

For point 3. Programs are generally installed in /usr/bin and ~/.var/app for Flatpaks (analogous to MS Store). Much easier than finding where MS store apps are installed.

Never come across point 4, so I can't dismiss it.

  1. As with 2, depends on your usecase

  2. GNOME Disk manager (comes with Fedora and Ubuntu) has options to mount drives to arbitrary locations if needed.

I understand your argument but making points like these don't really contribute to the discussion.

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

All but one of your points here appear to be your lack of understanding Linux and/or user error. Point 4 (2) is understandable due to Windows just being the default and most popular choice.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And that’s exactly the fucking point. It’s a terrible idea to tell people to switch. Cause they don’t understand it.

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's not a very strong argument.

When you started a job, did you understand it all? When you first started using Windows, Android or iOS, did you understand it all? No you didn't. As with anything you've never used or done before, you won't understand the ins and outs or know what to do in many situations. You learn about them. I certainly didn't know much about Linux when I started using it. In an IT environment, I had to learn. I work with Windows and Linux on a daily basis. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I use both on my personal devices.

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[–] CustodialTeapot@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I rarely see that,. But what I see all the time is Linux lovers being toxic fanboys trying to shove their "passion" down everyone's throat. Also, 99% of them being wrong about what it can "offer".

Its a pure superiority complex fanbase.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Complaining about Linux and Linux users happens in every Windows-related thread, and you are doing it right now.

As a slight aside I am also sooo tired of people calling talking about something "shoving down our throats". People talking about someone you don't care for is not physically assaulting you. That expression seems to exist solely for people to wind themselves up over stuff that absolutely doesn't justify that level of outrage.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

It's shoving down throats when Linux is brought up in every single Windows discussion. The complaints about Linux are in response to Linux users never being able to just let it lie, people aren't just bitching in a void.

This is absolutely not people being mad for people just talking about something. I have an extremely hard time believing you truly believe that is the issue here.

There are countless places to discuss Linux without bringing it into the comments of every Windows post. Windows users are not commenting on every post in the Linux communities about how much more straightforward running Windows is.

It would be like vegan eaters commenting about how good it is to be vegan on every post in food communities that features non-vegan food.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Well maybe stop suggesting that the solution to every tiny little cosmetic inconvenience is to completely switch operating systems to one that has notoriously flakey hardware support.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

I guess people downvoting you are thinking of Brother printers, AMD graphics cards and Intel WiFi cards. Sure, it’s great when you have the right hardware, but what if you don’t. I’ve banged my head against Optimus and Broadcom, until I learned to be extra picky when buying a laptop.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would say "notoriously flakey hardware support" is a false statement these days

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro's built-in update button completely trashed the system.

But it doesn't have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nope. And that’s the problem and why people like us tell the Linux fan boys to fuck off.

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah yes notoriously flakey hardware support. Like Microsoft doesn't used it to power their entire cloud platform. The hardware support argument is dying tbh used to be true about 20 years ago

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro's built-in update button completely trashed the system.

But it doesn't have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!

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[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

'Just switch to Linux' isn't a solution to a problem. It's a tired and lazy ass response that is frankly starting to make me dislike this place.

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago

OK well if you're looking for the actual solution to the problem brought up in this thread..... here: https://i.imgur.com/nHEcFG2r.png

[–] shiftymccool@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When "this lemon is too sour" is the problem, maybe "here, try this orange" is the solution. Can you imagine responding like "No! People are always talking about oranges! I'm sick of it and won't try one!" Ridiculous...

[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Trying an orange is a lot easier than creating a boot USB, copying all your files over to an external hard drive, installing a new OS, fixing weird things like the graphics card having crap performance or the laptop screen brightness not dimming, learning the weird 3 letter file structure, being bogged down by apt-get vs snaps vs flatpak and adding repos (why not search and download an .exe like a normal OS), realizing that your more specialized programs don’t work, etc.

Besides, it’s not just ONE person, seeming everyone says it every time a lemon has a scratch or a blemish or too many seeds. And then they dramatize it by calling it an “abusive relationship”.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup. I’m about over lemmy cause of this shit. Linux bros are worse than vegans.

[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Agreed, just glance at the linked Reddit thread and it’s refreshing how little Linux is mentioned. I’m really tired of seeing it (and related FOSS circlejerking) on every vaguely related Lemmy thread and I suspect that’s where most of the “Linux bashing” is coming from, we’re just sick of it.

[–] AzureRT@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

"or the screen brightness not dimming"

This. Have this issue on my laptop, tried to fix it, didn't work. Not gonna bother with Linux now when I've had this issue happen to me both on said laptop and my desktop

I can see the appeal in Linux and wouldn't mind continuing to use it, but I will stick with Windows because I am more familiar with it and because I play games that can only run on it (Not saying this part to you but just in general)

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago

I mean "Just fix Microsoft and change its direction to be less consistently hostile and disrespectful of users" is a solution...

"Put an end to the data and attention harvesting economy" is another.

...but...switching OSs was easier for me personally, until we figure out how to wrangle a tech behemoth or fix underlying problems with human civilization.

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[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people spam "USE LINOOX INSTEAD!"

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
  • Switched to Linux years ago
  • Sometimes I need to help a friend or do professional work for someone else's komputer
  • I am annoyed about some stupid Windows thing I have to deal with
  • People tell me to switch to Linux
[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 1 points 2 years ago

But Linux can do everything that Windows can!!!! :)))) /s

[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I love Linux, but it's extremely annoying how many threads there are showing a mildly annoying and optional feature in Windows with 10 people replying "Use Linux!". As if Linux doesn't have a ridiculous number of UX problems itself.

[–] uSpetzWon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It happens because Linux users are like vegans. They can't shut up about it. And they don't realize that using Linux doesn't make them special or a member of some cool club nor does it mean that they have any friends.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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