this post was submitted on 15 Feb 2024
142 points (99.3% liked)

chapotraphouse

13473 readers
1 users here now

Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.

No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer

Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank

Dunk posts in general go in the_dunk_tank, not here

Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from the_dunk_tank

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He had an 1800s education and he lived in the first half of the 1900s. I am not sure by what metrics we consider him a modern person.

Good info on the rest of it though

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

pre-modern is not exactly a relative term. Stalin lived firmly in the Late Modern Period, not early modern. When you say someone is a "pre-modern person" that indicates a specific time in historical periodization, one prior to the second industrial revolution. In terms of history Stalin is a modern figure. I don't think we need to say Stalin wasn't modern to defend his stance here. There is no exact science, but generally the contemporary period is post-WW2. Stalin is modern, but not contemporary.

[–] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

not modern as in "past 20 years", modern as in modernism, if I had to guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism

Which pretty much lines up with his lifespan actually

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah and post-modernism is first said in 1949, which makes Stalin firmly modern. When talking about history we are dealing with a scale so vast that modern is a century ago.