If you think the Russian Federation and the USSR are remotely comparable, you're smoking crack. NATO won, and the depraved, neoliberal regime it replaced the USSR with is its own God damned fault.

[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

NATO won, and the depraved, neoliberal regime it replaced the USSR with is its own God damned fault.

I don't think USSR became what anyone in the west wanted it to become. It's nowhere near neoliberal, for one, more like a mafia state.

If you think the Russian Federation and the USSR are remotely comparable

Oh no, I don't. The Russian Federation is much worse. Just saying that we didn't really "destroy" them in the same way as, for instance, Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan was destroyed in WW2.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

I don't think USSR became what anyone in the west wanted it to become.

Who is Yeltsin?

It's nowhere near neoliberal, for one, more like a mafia state.

Technically it quickly became something closer to classically liberal rather than neoliberal (as the imperial core shunned it) but to claim that liberalism is opposed to mafiosi is hilarious, it has never existed without them. It's like saying liberalism is opposed to slavery, there is some vacuous sense in which you could use sophistry to push that angle, but when you look at real, historic manifestations of liberal states, they are heavily economically reliant on various forms of slavery, whether domestic or via their dogs in the third world.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lmao what?

What nations are allowed to have their own interests, and act to secure those interests? Is that something only for the U.S. and (when the U.S. allows it) its allies? Or is it possible that some countries have legitimate interests that conflict with the U.S.?

[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What nations are allowed to have their own interests, and act to secure those interests?

Is Ukraine allowed that?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Legitimate national interests don't include attacking ethnic minorities, which is a major cause of the current war dating back to the early 2010s.

There's also a question of what "national interest" means when the U.S. coups your elected government, as it did to Ukraine in 2014.

[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There’s also a question of what “national interest” means when the U.S. coups your elected government, as it did to Ukraine in 2014.

Does there exist proof that it was a US coup?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't know, why don't you ask the Americans who replaced their government for them?

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

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