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Hawaii rules against public carrying of guns without permit citing ‘aloha spirit’
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 Feb 2024
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They're tools designed specifically for killing, that's kind of the point
Wrong. They were originally designed to open beer bottles.
Don't kill the chill.
Is all I ever asked.
But what about my GOD GUNS GUTS bumper sticker?
They are also damn helpful for defending life. A Smith and Wesson puts the daintiest of women on an equal field with the burliest of asailants.
Wow, he even managed to roll some sexism into that one
How is that sexist? I agree it sounds sexist, but is the content actually sexist?
I mean, we've already got our pitchforks out, fuck it
OP is racist!!
It's not, @SpaceNoodle did a dumb take in an effort to pile on the guy
Noticing that a bit in this thread
The decision to gender only the victim is questionable.
The argument doesn't sound as convincing this way:
A Smith and Wesson puts the daintiest of assailants on an equal field with the burliest of women.
that is not a resonable test in this situation.
Dont use 'woman' as an adjective. No need. Just use dainty/frail vs. burly.
Okay, but they did. I see how it sounds sexist, but how is it actually sexist? Dainty women do exist, and are on average, more dainty than dainty men.
IMO introducing gender only to use traditional sex sterotypes to frame the discussion is sexist.
Well, using the stereotype is to reinforce their point. It's a argumentative tactic. Like if someone said "eating greasy McDonald's or whatever", they could have just said "eating unhealthy food" but using specific imagery that plays into stereotypes gives a more emotional reaction.
And the sterotype they are playing into is sexist.
Maybe, I'm not sure where I fall on that. I view it basically the same as like the "fat American" stereotype- so is that xenophobic? Actually I would say that is worse, because being dainty isn't necessarily a negative trait to many people.
Hmm trying to shore up a losing argument with a flanking maneuver, using the same trite tactic, to nations instead of gender.
Going after redheads next?
It was an analogy? I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying its not xenophobic, I was asking if you thought it was, and saying if you think it is then I agree it is consistent for you to then say that OP's statement was sexist. Not every discussion is an argument, don't be so defensive.
That is not the claim
A gun allows physically weaker people to defend themselves from physically stronger people
In the example only the initial victim had a gun, presumably the 'burliest of asailants' was using physical strength as their weapon.
No it is not, you are saying two completely different things.
Does having a pilots livense reduce your likelihood of dying in plane crash?
Vs
Does having a pilots license give you the ability to be responsible for your own safety in plane?
Two completely different things
No, it's that it grants you the opportunity to defend yourself, not that you can.
That is not what that means. Nowhere is that claimed. Maybe ask ChatGPT to rephrase it for you.
Can you respond to something without a strawman?
That is not what I said. I told you to ask ChatGPT to rephrase the initial point for you. Y'know so you could understand it instead of strawmanning it.
Yeah, I thought this was just bad faith, but now it's clearly entirely malicious. I'm not a pro at phrasing, but I clearly said rephrase it FOR YOU.
You maliciously interpreted what OP said, where they never said anything about crime rates, just about ability to defend oneself. You maliciously interpreted the analogy about how a pilots license increases your risk of dying in a plane crash not because riding on a plane is more dangerous when you have pilots license but because of other behaviors that a pilots license correlates with.
That must be why the homicide rates in the rest of the world are so much higher than the US.
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Ho ho, buddy! I don't agree, but I won't keep kicking ya. The mob has spoken. In this particular instance, they're right. But don't take it personally, it could be any one of us tomorrow!
God brought us different, but Colt made us equal, blah-blah-blah.
The difference between trained criminal who started and dictate the situation and an unprepared civilian is just too big. Not to say about how seeing a gun or a sudden movement would trigger an instant attack. You overestimate reflexes of a regular person and their ability to use firearms. Self-defence gun in a bag is more of a risk for an owner and others rather than an affective detterent.
Guns should be. Under the lock. People who casually carry them around just in case aren't a solution but a problem themselves.