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People need to realize you can use alternatives

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[–] Arcaneslime@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I recognize you, you're an old head around these parts, you were there during my battle with that one CHEF_KOCH fuckface, I like you.

That said, you've been here at least as long as I have, semantics regarding the word "shill" aside you know this place is (kinda was) a majority State Communist, or "Tankie," echo chamber, and they pushed it relentlessly. It's why you only ever saw me in c/linux, I don't like political evangelism to the degree it used to be found here. C'mon lol.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

majority State Communist,

Is there any reason you don't say Marxist?

[–] Arcaneslime@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Because as I understand it Marxism is a stateless society, but most of the people here were supporting State Communism, so not Marxism.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would strongly recommend researching . Marxism before declaring self-proclaimed Marxists to not be Marxists.

Now do "State Communism"

[–] Arcaneslime@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do Marxists always simp for Stalin and Mao?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

This seems like a non-sequitur. Anyway, since audiobooks are still too much, let me just give a basic summary:

Marxists are not anarchists or communalists. Marx saw the failure of the Paris Commune and of the Utopian socialists and sought to create a theoretical framework that could be used in conjunction with practical political programs to resolve class struggle over time, which he predicted would ultimately produce a stateless society. This transitional society, to contrast with Marx's name for liberal capitalism -- the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie -- is referred to as the dictatorship of the proletariat.

"State communism" is, uh, just made-up as far as I can tell. Marxists support the destruction of dictatorships of the bourgeoisie and their replacement with dictatorships of the proletariat. Generally they would like to see a stateless society one day, but they understand that a simple commune would get steamrolled the instant it became politically important enough, so they are principally concerned with making states democratic in a truer sense of the word than liberal democracy -- which is de facto controlled by the rich -- in order to end "capitalist encirclement" and make things like communes more viable.

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