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Thats the thing about saying an opinion on the internet, its tied to you forever. In real life people tend to change their minds and can re-evaluate on their own shitty opinions after a few decades. Not always, but it happens. But that doesn't change the fact you said that thing that one time 20 years ago. The people who don't really care about you and just want a mental straw man to hate don't care about things like personal growth or that you have changed stance, just that you thought that bad thing at one time.
Im personally guilty of saying some real edgelord shit as a teenager on the internet. If someone somehow collected a few comments I made when I was 15 and went on a 5 paragraph essay about how terrible of a person I am now it would make me roll my eyes and tell them to get bent. Who I was as a 15 year old and my opinions then is completely independent of who I am now and my current stances. But the 5-paragrapher doesn't care about that, they got their ragebait strawman and a ride on the high horse so they are happy.
Incredible that this personal development where he suddenly realised raping children is a bad thing, after decades of publicly championing it (and even using his workplace email address to do so), happened immediately after his job became on the line and there were public calls for him to step down/be removed.
Almost unbelievable, even.
You repeated your stance, what's wrong with me doing the same?
And I repeated mine to reiterate my point. No need for this conspiracy theory.
We aren't talking about one thing said 20 years go though, we're talking about something repeated across decades by someone who was a grown man even then, and who only said otherwise when it was convenient to do so to try to keep his job.
Now, maybe he genuinely did just happen to change his mind on whether child rape is ok or not a mere few days after there were calls for him to step down. I just personally don't believe it.
I agree with your point, but I don't think this applies to Stallman at all.
Because he is biased.
Lol, you mean when he changed his opinion 4 days after his comments were outed, and only when it looked like his job was untenable?
Seems awfully convenient that RMS would change his decades-held opinion that paedophilia is fine mere days after he found himself in hot water.
If Andrew Tate, right when Google was mulling over removing his content from YouTube, said "you know, I actually think misogyny is a bad thing. Honest.", would you believe him? Would you think he's a changed man?
I wouldn't. But maybe you're just more trusting than I am.
People in high up positions often "resign" when their position is no longer tenable.
It's an opportunity afforded to people at the top so they can save face.
I don't see why you're bringing whataboutism about Gates into this. The discussion isn't about Gates, nor do I like Gates. Why bring him up other than to muddy the debate and shift focus away from padeo-champion RMS?
The discussion is about RMS being pro paedophilia, and his cult being in denial about that fact.
I didn't say he returned to his position.
The entire thing led to him resigning. It was his comments on Epstein that got the ball rolling, but people bringing up his public championing of child rape using his work email address, as well as women alleging that he had been creepy with them, all led to him losing his position.
Look, you can defend him all you want. That's fine. I'm just on the "child rape is bad" side of the fence.
No he isn't of the opinion that paedophilia is bad, because he has publicly said it's fine/good several times!
And no, he suddenly "changed his mind" as a last-ditch effort to save his job, and it failed.
If you genuinely believe he had an epiphany and did a complete 180 that just happened to perfectly align with him coming under fire, then you're pretty naive.
This cult behaviour is fucking weird, dude. The guy repeatedly states that having sex with children is fine and yet you're fine with him. Re-evaluate your position.
He didn't change his opinion over decades. He "changed" his opinion over days. Specifically, days after there started to be pressure for him to step down or be removed.
What a convenient time to have a change of heart!
Stop defending an advocate of child rape.
Hahahaha now you're saying the reason he lost his job because he made a statement against child rape?
You people cannot be helped.
I guess if Andrew Tate said he's against misogyny now you'd believe him too?
I'm not talking about his chat about Epstein, you brought that up for zero reason, specifically to muddy the conversation and distract from the topic, just like the Bill Gates tangent.
I'm talking about him being a proud and loud advocate of paedophilia, bestiality, parent-child relationships.
Hm yeah. Very logical to be supportive of raping kids (even your own kids) and fucking your pets. What a logical guy with sane takes.
No I didn't bring it up. I mentioned his views on paedophilia, you brought up he repented, I said he only did it to save his skin because he was in the process of being ousted at the time (in part due to Epstein, but I didn't talk about that because it's irrelevant to his view that child rape is fine), then you went all-in on that because deep down you know that raping children is inexcusable.
Look, we're getting nowhere. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'm against having cult followings of people who are proudly pro paedophilia, and you aren't.
If you like people who are pro child rape and pro bestiality, you're free to do so. Freedom of expression and all that.
I'm ending it here. Goodbye. I hope you get to re-evaluate your position on child rape proponents, but I can't force it on you.
Told you bye so didn't read.
Bye bye paedophile apologist. Keep worshiping a guy who thinks kids should be used as sex toys.
I really hope cancer claims Stallman in a way that is gruesome. Fuck him and fuck anybody else who loves the idea of kids being held down and fucked. He deserves a painful death, and hopefully he'll be remembered as the creep that he is.