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[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 142 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

We do this every 15 years. For anyone less than 15 years into their career, welcome to the party.

Let's see if I can save you some energy:

  • Yes, it made my job massively easier.
  • No, it didn't replace me.
  • Yes, it allowed a bunch of new people to also do the job I do. Welcome newbies!
  • No, my salary didn't go down, relative to inflation.

It turns out that the last mile to a successful product delivery is still really fucking hard, and this magic bullet tool also didn't solve that.

Now... Am I talking about...?

  • AI?
  • Web frameworks?
  • English like programming language syntax?
  • A compiler with built-in type checking?
  • All of the above.

Edit: Formatting for readability.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago (15 children)

No, my salary didn't go down, relative to inflation.

I'm calling bullshit on that one.

Everybody's salary except executives has gone down relative to inflation going all the way back the the 80s.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Not mine. Every year if I don't get a "cost of living" increase that meets or exceeds inflation, I go complain about it to my boss who then negotiates with HR on my behalf and I get a bigger raise. I'm not gonna let inflation kill my salary, and my boss is not gonna risk me leaving for another company. I do wish they would just give it to me up front and stop making me ask each year. We all know what the outcome is gonna be.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] shasta@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm not saying that the average wage in the country has not fallen against inflation. Data indicates that it has. But what I'm saying is that In the tech industry, if you provide good value to your company and the managers have half a brain, you should be able to negotiate annual raises to AT LEAST match inflation. If your company won't, consider moving to a new company.

I know this is a privilege that most workers do not have, but this thread is about jobs in tech, where this is a more common case. It's also one of the reasons why the aren't more unions.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

I’m not saying that the average wage in the country has not fallen against inflation. Data indicates that it has.

It actually hasn't; the data has shifted since this talking point was created. There's still other issues at work, though; the argument needs to be reframed around productivity.

See: https://midwest.social/comment/6656948

[–] rab@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is comment makes me want to move to US. In Canada what you said is so unrealistic

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

In every country but the US, really. Someday, big tech companies will realise that a person in any other Western country can code just as well for half the price, but for now they won't even consider it cause 'Murica.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They do. They're looking mostly to Eastern Europe. India is the classic place to look, but the quality of the tech education there is mixed (at best). I've worked with a lot of competent people from Romania.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I take it all the important stuff stays in America, though. There's a chance you couldn't even tell I'm Canadian if you met me, but there's still senior devs earning 60k up here.

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